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16 Jun 2009 14:09 #13770 by alsancle
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Tom_Parkinson wrote: A Nash 8. Hmmm It'd make a good snowblower engine.

Well, for the 600+ someone bucks bid for this engine, I would have bought it just for giggles and entertainment. I wonder what the seller's reserve was? Considering that the world market for this engine is likely about 3 people, I doubt that it has much value.

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It's one of those things where if you need one it's value is incredible, but if you don't then it has none.

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11 Jun 2009 17:49 #13735 by Bicknell
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I didn't post it as I don't know how. I sent the email attachment to <a href="mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url] with a request to post it, but did not get a reply. If you can show me the steps to do it, I'll post it. Or, if you send me your email address, I'll forward the attachment direct to you.
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11 Jun 2009 13:43 #13733 by project1
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Where did you post the photos?

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11 Jun 2009 13:33 #13732 by Bicknell
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Glenn Pray's Duesenberg is shown in color photos in his book - Glenn Pray, The Man Who Brought Legends to Life. As I didn't know how to submit the photo to this site, I scanned it and sent it as an email attachment on 5/17.
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11 Jun 2009 07:28 #13730 by Chris Summers
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mikespeed35 wrote: Are you aware that the Nash 890 is a Full Classic. Engine 298 cu. in. 115 HP. Very comperable to the Auburn big eight.
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11 Jun 2009 03:12 #13729 by mikespeed35
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Are you aware that the Nash 890 is a Full Classic. Engine 298 cu. in. 115 HP. Very comperable to the Auburn big eight.
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11 Jun 2009 00:53 #13728 by Tom_Parkinson
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A Nash 8. Hmmm It'd make a good snowblower engine.

Well, for the 600+ someone bucks bid for this engine, I would have bought it just for giggles and entertainment. I wonder what the seller's reserve was? Considering that the world market for this engine is likely about 3 people, I doubt that it has much value.

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02 Jun 2009 20:20 #13668 by alsancle
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Here is a 31 890 Nash engine which would be perfect.

[url:3k5hkkch]http&#58;//cgi&#46;ebay&#46;com/ebaymotors/1931-Nash-890-Twin-Ignition-Eight-engine-to-rebuild_W0QQitemZ270400791366QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20090601?IMSfp=TL090601153001r13985[/url:3k5hkkch]

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27 May 2009 22:15 #13621 by NNICKB
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I remember reading a few years ago about a guy who built a vintage style race car and wanted to use a 1930s era straight eight. He chose a Nash Ambassador engine, because it had nine main bearings. Also was OHV.

If you want something really, well, different, you might consider the Jeep Tornado 6. It does have "the look," well, sort of. There was a version of this engine used in the Argentinian Rambler Torino, with triple Weber carburetors.
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16 May 2009 13:06 #13509 by project1
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I wouldn't know. For the purposes of a special or replica, perhaps not a major issue?

Anyone able to post photos of engine Prey's Duesy 12?

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16 May 2009 03:15 #13505 by mikespeed35
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My understanding is the LaFrance block and the Auburn block are not the same casting. External dimension differances can be detected. Please straighten me out if this is not true.
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15 May 2009 02:23 #13499 by project1
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Some years back Glen Prey showed up at Auburn in a psuedo Duesy phaeton with fire truck V12.

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14 May 2009 14:34 #13483 by georgealbright
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I did alot of research when I was building my original Duesy Judkins Limo. As you know Lycoming cast the Duesy engines. From 1935 to approx. 1941 Lycoming built the Model AEF and AEG straight 8 engine,for truck use. It is 420 C.I. exactly the same as Duesy engines! NOTHING interchanges tho-sorry. These engines were used in American LaFrance firetrucks during that period,along with the V-12 Lycoming engine that is the bored out version of the V-12 Auburn engine-same block and appearance-just dual ignition. Both are still cheap if you can buy a whole fire truck on Ebay or go to the various fire truck collector sites and post for a loose engine and a whole ALF truck. The attached transmission to both engines will work also. The straight 8 engine will fill the engine bay nicely. Paint it Duesy engine green,put chrome head nuts on it to show it off,and off you go! Hope this helps! George Albright,Ocala,Fla. email <a href="mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url] cell 352 843 1624
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07 May 2009 14:54 #13441 by project1
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Jag is a terrific engine but, personally, I don't see it as a good choice for a "Duesy" special. Too new, too common, too furrin! Go with something of the era, specifcially, what would a custom builder create in the thirties based on available engines of the time?

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07 May 2009 03:04 #13439 by Bicknell
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Paull111 - Whle the Buick was my first choice, I too considered the Jaguar engine. It has the right look and has the exhaust on the correct side. I had planned to downsize everything in proportion to the engine, but keep the Duesenberg look. Perhaps use 16" or 17" wire wheels and a proportionate wheelbase. The smaller size gives many more opportunities for body choices. Good luck and please post your progress.
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07 May 2009 02:57 #13438 by hportz
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Paul, Sorry, I failed to put SOME in there about people who work on Jags, other cars have the same problem. Jag engines that we mentioned are good. OK? The vee 12 that Auburn &amp; the fire engines used might have been more to scale. Henry
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07 May 2009 00:42 #13436 by paul111
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hportz wrote: Paul 111, The biggest problem with a Jag 3.8 or 4.2 tripple SU carb engine is the people that work on them! It might look a little small in that car though. Have fun! 31631F Henry


And what's wrong with the people who work on them - I am now one of them so I need to know!!! :)

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07 May 2009 00:30 #13435 by paul111
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Wish we could of had this conversation a year ago when I originally posted but it is still nice to hear other opinions. I looked at many different engine types and kept coming back to the Jag even though I was reluctant at first.

I agree it will look a little small so I shortened the engine bay about 3 inches, hopefully not enough to make it noticable from the outside and also will be using the radiator, shroud and fan to take off another 5 or six inches on the length at the front. I will also push the engine forward so the bell housing and gearbox does not intrude into the firewall. Couldn't really do anything about the width but I think the manifold, carbs and filters on the one side and a big custom exhaust header on the other will fill the width fairly well.

The rest of the space I hope to fill in with other engine stuff that will take up a little more space than usual.

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05 May 2009 18:14 #13431 by project1
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Henry is absolutely correct! SUs are fabulous and need to be setup and confirmed functional like anything else. Parts sources abound and I've had good experience with SU guru Joe Curto. The Jag engine will look small in a J-size engine compartment.

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05 May 2009 17:38 #13430 by hportz
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Paul 111, The biggest problem with a Jag 3.8 or 4.2 tripple SU carb engine is the people that work on them! It might look a little small in that car though. Have fun! 31631F Henry
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05 May 2009 14:35 #13429 by project1
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Stutz valve train a weak point currently being rectified with low mass reciprocating elements c/o of a UK shop. Jag also uses shims for valve adjustment.

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05 May 2009 14:11 #13428 by alsancle
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project1 wrote: Buick collectors have dabbled with various cylinder head conversions including a cross-flow twin cam by grouping a pair of Toyota or Alfa heads. Complex and expensive for little gain. Stick with the stock Buick engine/apperance and add a few authentic go-fast goodies, or save your change for a real J Duesy engine. Alternatively, take a look at the relatively inexpensive eight cylinder Stutz SV engines (single cam) or pricier DV32 (twin cam), the latter a direct rip off Model J.


I believe they were more or less developed independently of each other although the Stutz was much later to market. It is a superior design that does not require shims to adjust the valves like the Duesenberg.

A Single ovehead cam Stutz engine will set you back about 5k and then about 20 to 25 to properly rebuild it. The DV32 engine is more or less unobtainable but would probably run you 35 to 45k plus rebuild if you actually found one.

Btw, what I was referring to was bolt on parts for the Buick in appearance only. Not a functioning overhead cam setup.

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04 May 2009 18:12 #13425 by paul111
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Hi guys and thanks for replies, but you're a little late!

I just last week bought a Jag engine and I am in the process of rebuilding it.
I did look at and do some research on Buick and some other straight 8's but couldn't bring myself to go that direction as I have no experience with any of them and was a little afraid of the unknown. Better the devil you know.

Anyway I think with a little modification I could make it look quite similar to the Dues. as it is a similar engine configuration.

Must admit I have never seen the Stutz but I am sure it's a pricey option.

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04 May 2009 14:32 #13422 by project1
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Buick collectors have dabbled with various cylinder head conversions including a cross-flow twin cam by grouping a pair of Toyota or Alfa heads. Complex and expensive for little gain. Stick with the stock Buick engine/apperance and add a few authentic go-fast goodies, or save your change for a real J Duesy engine. Alternatively, take a look at the relatively inexpensive eight cylinder Stutz SV engines (single cam) or pricier DV32 (twin cam), the latter a direct rip off Model J.

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04 May 2009 14:23 #13421 by Bicknell
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I am not aware of any bolt-on Buick to Duesenberg conversion parts. I am a long time Buick guy, since 1959, and a long time ago made some sketches to do just that, but never made any parts. I hope I am wrong and there really are some parts out there. With my interest in both Buick and Duesenberg, there is a small chance I would have missed it. One thing I did consider was that if the HP was increased with a Duesenberg like head, that might lead to crankshaft problems as the Buick crank has only five main bearings. Regards, Bill.

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04 May 2009 14:00 #13420 by alsancle
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Somebody refresh my memory on this. Wasn't there a project years back to have bolt on parts for a Buick that made it look like a Duesenberg engine?

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02 May 2009 14:11 #13397 by project1
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Ditto for the Buick straight eight 320 ci. Great motors. Add either the factory two-carb setup or Edmunds cast aluminium maninfold. And don't forget a supercharger. Jag engines are fine and there's no issue with reliability if you follow the manual, but esthetically wrong for the Duesy timeframe. Good luck.

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06 Apr 2009 02:13 #13115 by Bicknell
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Definitely recommend the Buick Straight-8, but then I'm into Buicks besides Cords. Recomment a 1936-38 large series 320 cu. in. with the Buick transmission. Last floor shift for Buick was 1938. Some modification would have to be made to the back of the transmission to convert from closed to open drive shaft. Good luck with project, I would like to do the same. Also recomment starting with 1930-32 series 80 or 90 Buick with wire wheels.
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15 May 2008 01:29 #10099 by paul111
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"A Quad 4 (now Eco-Tech) trimmed properly looks almost identical to a vintage Offy."


Now ther's an idea, a miller straight-8, do you think I could get one of those for less than $5000!!!!.

www.milleroffy.com/miller_milton_122_3.jpg

OK I might be tempted to spend a bit more if I could get one of those. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

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13 May 2008 19:31 #10075 by Steve Derus
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Run a pair of them in series and you might have something.

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13 May 2008 18:07 #10074 by Greg Riley
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A Quad 4 (now Eco-Tech) trimmed properly looks almost identical to a vintage Offy. Too bad you can't get it in a straight 8!

Take a look here: [url:bnph2alv]http&#58;//www&#46;quad4rods&#46;com/[/url:bnph2alv]

I thought it would be fun to create a "Baby Duesenberg" replica using one of these, and a Tremec 5-Speed.
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08 May 2008 01:48 #10024 by paul111
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Take away the Lucas wiring and the emission control Stromberg carbs that were on the American cars and the Jag engine is rugged and reliable. It won Le Mans 5 times in the 50's when the Mulsanne strait was still there. Not many engines (if any) that did that.

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08 May 2008 01:35 #10023 by bill powell
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It's not the Jag engine that has a bad reputation. Using a three carb 3.8 you can get 260 HP and reliability.

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08 May 2008 01:27 #10022 by Steve Derus
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An OHV Buick straight eight might be a good fit. Decent power output also. Aesthetically a Jag DOHC is an excellent choice but poor reputation for reliability.

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07 May 2008 21:59 #10019 by Chris Summers
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Or you could use one of the supercharged XKR engines...probably out of your price range, but you could claim you own a supercharged Duesenberg!
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07 May 2008 20:53 #10018 by paul111
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I am looking for opinions from Duesenberg owners and fans.

Let?s say you built a replica of a model J with exact dimensions, what type of engine would you put in it if your budget was around $5000?

While most automatically put in the V8 I tend to think that, not only does it not fit properly (too wide and short) it does not suit the period very well. My thoughts are it has to be an inline engine. While there are a few old straight-8?s around there are none that look close to the original, I am thinking the old Jaguar straight-6 with twin overhead cams is a very similar looking engine to the original and with 3 twin sidedraught webers would look very nice and perform well too.


www.classicjaguar.com/062505db1.jpg

www.classicjaguar.com/webers.htm


Anyone have any thoughts?

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