2,5 mm ? braieded wire supply ?

I looked at what my Cord has for plug wires. They are Black but.... Under that black covering is some yellow looking braided covering. I found this color change under the cap cover where I can easily see the true color is black.... Don't know why the inside wire color is the yellow look...

My extra cap for the 1935 851 Phaeton has an ancient maroon coil wire on it - really pretty maroon color as well.

Everett Kuhn, as is well known, owned a Cord phaeton that had 4,400 miles on it when he bought it. Most of that mileage was put on in a cross-country trip by the original owner. The wires have absolutely never been tampered with. They are maroon.

So I continue the challenge -- Does anyone own or know of a Cord 810 or 812 with untampered wires (for sure) or does anyone have a photograph of an 810 or 812 taken in the production era that shows oak-with-tracers spark plug wires? They would show up even on a b&w photo. (Yes, the early engine used in brochures has them, but it also has all sorts of non-production accessories. We're looking for a production car.)

What do you win? I will shut up on the subject

Josh
The photo from Philippe Stettler above is from a Cord S/C convertible coupe owned by Fredy Bieri of Switzerland and the car is in my shop to fix different issues and to get it back on the road (the car was previously owned by Pierre Trachsler from Geneva Switzerland). The engine which can be seen in the picture is an FB engine overhauled by George Arakelian a couple of years ago (the original FC engine has a cracked block!) . The wires look old but still fine and I do not know if they are original. You may contact George, perhaps he knows more
Mario

I have worked on many L-29's, but In my experience, with several untouched original L-29 Cords, all the plug wires were oak with tracers, but so brittle that you could not move them without breaking them.,
Ken

Look quite old, Phillipp. Trouble is, there is no way to tell for sure whether they are 50 or 75 years old.

Good shot!

Is it possible that these HT cables are original ones ?

I am in agreement with Mike's reasoned approach, and the inclusion of Auburn.

My position on Cord wires at this point is based on first-hand information from JK Howell. He said that he had never seen an original car with the colorful wires. Stan Gilliland says that Auto-Lite manufactured most of the spark plug wire used on the 810/812, and that they sold them in three colors. He has seen original untampered Cords with dark maroon and black, but only photographs of cars with the multi-color wire. Stan does point out that the background color of the latter wire, as sold by Auto-Lite was oak, not yellow.

My guess is that Auburn ordered wire as they needed it, and installed whatever Auto-Lite sent. Probably mostly maroon and black. And yes, one cannot rule out the possibility that Auto-Lite sent oak with tracer sometimes.

ACD Club judges some years ago agreed to accept oak-with-black-and-red-tracer as authentic to avoid controversy and because there was no way to prove that production cars used [u:3tt7m10x]only[/u:3tt7m10x] maroon or black.

My interest remains the same. Does anyone have a photo taken in 1936-37 that shows oak-with-tracer spark plug wires?

Sorry guys, I can sit silent on this one.

Before any of us rush out and mix some maroon lacquer (to paint our wires), can our cheif judge and the other marque experts/historians discuss what colour ignition wires were used on the Auburn in '35 and '36 as well as early and late Cords ? If Auburn's used different colour wires, why ? Are there any Auburn supplier records that can be referenced.

There are a few low mileage cars in existence and it would seem prudent to do some investigation before formulating any potential conclusions. To jump to the conclusion that any sole colour is correct, would it not be reasonable to find both early and late low mileage unmolested cars and compare the colour of ingition wires.

On the practical side, are we really suggesting that all Cord ignition wires came from one spool ? Or that all spools of ignition wire had to be checked for the correct colour or they would be returned to the supplier and that car production would halt because of ignition wire colour.

I am however looking for a reasonable process to make conclusions on and to ensure that the conclusions are supportable. I'm also influenced by the contents of the three or longer page thread on the wheel colours, which I'm not convinced resolved that other possible wheel colours were not provided at the factory.

It seems reasonable that maroon ignition wires were used in addition to what other colours.

I'll chalk up my asking, "Is there a source for black wires?" to a really long day yesterday and not being fully awake when I visited the Forum this morning...

Black wires should be easy. All the restoration suppliers carry them. Also, black modern wires are available that look right.

I know of no source for maroon (or I'd use them myself.) Many, many years ago I got a roll of maroon spark plug wire from JK Howell, and refitted my Cord. (I think I still have a snippet somewhere.) So unless some later owner threw it away thinking it was not "authentic", there is at least one 810 Westchester out there with correct maroon wires.

Josh, is there a source currently for the maroon or black wires?

The European cable is very pretty, but it just ain't authentic for a Cord 810 or 812.

Another source

www.autosparks.co.uk/index.php?cPath=86

Frank

Josh, I agree. Although I am guilty of the Oak wires I don't believe that original cars came with Oak. I have had some with the maroon and discarded them.

Here's a controversy-starter. Can someone show us an ORIGINAL (unmolested) Cord with the now-common oak-with-red-and-black-tracer spark plug wires? Or a photograph of an engine in a production car in [u:3cjgg23n] 1936-37[/u:3cjgg23n] with these wires? JK Howell once told me that production Cords had maroon or black wires. Not the colorful ones.

I know it's common knowledge. But common knowledge is not always correct.

For anyone who is interested, i received info of a source in France from Torsten Vig from Denmark, here's the link <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> :

www.bobinages-magnetos.com/fils- ... #filbougie

Hi , i'm looking for a source for 6 Volt sutable 2,5 mm ? (0,078 zoll ? ) braided wires or a qualified proposal, please.
Thanks in advanced, Philipp