Auburn 8-98 Phaeton Sedan restoration story

jwdp31357 wrote: Hi Andreas - very nice car and restoration well done.

Can I please ask what Black colour you used. I would like to do my 29 Phaeton in a similar black. It really looks stunning.

Cheers

Jason
Melbourne, Australia

Jason,
its a simple plain black (RAL 9005), and its Nitrocellulose-based.

Andreas

Hi Andreas - very nice car and restoration well done.

Can I please ask what Black colour you used. I would like to do my 29 Phaeton in a similar black. It really looks stunning.

Cheers

Jason
Melbourne, Australia

Thanks for sharing your restoration project from start to finish. It has been interesting seeing your progress. The car looks great, hope it performs well for you. I'm sure you will get lots of accolades whether you drive or show the beauty.

I take that back. With two daughters 10 and 13 the trip would probably be unforgetable, but not in a good way. I've been there also, and it wouldn't have gone well!
CORDially Mike

mikespeed35 wrote: When you come bring your car and drive it. You will never regret it.
CORDially Mike

I would love to do so, but unfortunatly this will not be possible.
A cross country trip with my family (I have to daughters in the age 10 and 13) within a limited time of max. 3 weeks and with a 1931 car?
This will not be fun at all. And its a question of money too...
Possibly later, after retirement?

BTW: I like the pictures of your car travels very much. Thanks for sharing.

Andy

When you come bring your car and drive it. You will never regret it.
CORDially Mike

Thanks!
Its been possible only with the help of you fellows, with your advise and your parts. A big thank to all of you who helped me.

Possibly in 2015 or 2016 I plan a visit to USA incl. a cross country round trip. Hopefully I will have the opportunity to meet some of you, talking about the cars and having a beer together.

Cheers
Andy

Great Job .It is fantastic to see her look like she did in 1931 in Venice Beach California .How can it get any better. R

super job
greg

Andreas,

Wonderful job or I should say "FABULOUS". The Auburn looks way better than the simulated picture.
Enjoy. After all the hard work, you deserve it.

Joel

Hi,

STUNNING !!!!!!!!!!!!

--Tom

Hell yeah, I reached the finish line. Today I finsihed the first 200 miles test ride, still struggeling with the carb, everything else works great. I am again impressed about the overall performance of a car from 1931. And its rock solid and reliable.

Here is picture of the car before the restoration, next picture is my imagination made by Photo Shop, and the last picture is the reality today.
Pretty close, huh?









All I have to do now is refilling the King Sealey gas gauge and oil gauge. Anybody has a good advise for doing this? Hard to imagine how to fill the small glas tubes behind the dash panels....?
And some minor touch ups here and there.

looks wonderful great job

Today I had the first test ride. I have to say, everything works nearly perfect. Some brake adjustment and thats it.











Tomorrow the car will go to the saddler again, and finally there will be a complete polish job. Pictures follow in June!

Stay tuned,
Andreas

looks great good job

A very pretty car.

Andreas,
You have done a beautiful job on the car, you should be very proud. I'm sure you will get many years of enjoyment from it.
Pat

Heyho,

its becoming to be a car again! In reality it looks much better then at the pictures!!! I would like to sit by the the car and stare at it. It is such a beautyful car, I love it...

On Monday the pinstriper will finish the fenders, and next week the saddler starts working at the convertible top cover and door panels. Hopefully in June it should be finished.









There are still the "old spare wheels" installed.

Cheers
Andreas

I keep all my reciepts, BUT NEVER ADD THEM UP!
CORDially Mike

samsonized wrote: not trying to be personal but have you kept track of the expenditure of doing your project. I have a phaeton project that needs to be redone and I was wondering about how much a restoration like yours is costing

No, I didn?t. Its been much more expensive than expected, as always with restorations. And I did not start with the intention of a complete restoration. At the beginning I was thinking about a paint job and some minor body repairs.

And there is one more difference: Buying a part and having it shipped to Germany is much more expensive than within US.

And last but not least I did not count the hours of labour, which has been accomplished by employees of my car repair business and of my own.

If I would have been forced to sell the car after finsihing, I would have a big financial loss.
Thatswhy please don?t ask again.....
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not trying to be personal but have you kept track of the expenditure of doing your project. I have a phaeton project that needs to be redone and I was wondering about how much a restoration like yours is costing

It is a nice looking car without the fenders anyway. It sure is great to see another car being restored and saved like this. Also nice driving in a tight area. You seem to have done that before...

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No, I wan?t drive it that way.

But when other people without a clue saw the car without fenders, they always asked me, if it is going to be a HotRod.... <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

Cheers
Andreas

I would suggest to not drive it on the road without fenders or risk stone chips.
CORDially Mike

Looking good!

Ok, on Friday the first move:

www.vidup.de/v/xxPNI/


Still no idle, but it runs. Meanwhile at the saddler...
As you have seen, in Europe everything is much smaller, also the workshops. :rolleyes:

While concede your point, all the cars I'm familar with running copper line have it coiled. I don't like to tempt fate.

Mike Dube wrote:
It appears that your copper fuel line is a straight shot from the pump to the carb. Unless that temporary hose is hiding it, you might want to coil the fuel line to prevent a vibration stress fracture.

This copper line is made of pretty hard copper tube, too hard to bend and we were not able to make a clean loop. Probably I will have to purchase soft copper tube and do it again.
Because of fuel pump and carb are both mounted to the engine housing I did not see any problems. I always thought loops are only necessary when I make a connection between frame and engine?

Thanks
Andreas

Andreas,

Glad to see she's nearing completion, you have worked long &amp; hard.

It appears that your copper fuel line is a straight shot from the pump to the carb. Unless that temporary hose is hiding it, you might want to coil the fuel line to prevent a vibration stress fracture.

Well, the work goes on.
Now we are going to install fuel and vacuum lines. Next job will be Pin Striping of body and doors, then the car will be delivered to the saddler.
In April or May hopefully follows the final assembly: fenders, lights, chrome trim, ...
These are my plans. But as always with restorations: everything takes longer than expected and will be much more expensiv than expected. :rolleyes:











The paint job is accomplished with Nitrocellulose laquer. Its terrible. It tooks 10 times more time compared to modern laquer. Never again! The painter is squeezing me out like a lemon and is still not satisfied with the payment. <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt="" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: -->
But there is no way back. The result counts.

Cheers
Andreas

Nice clean shop!

Very interesting account of your challenging restoration. I?ll be looking forward to the rest of the story.

At one point you mentioned a Carmine red color that looked brown. I have a set of old color chips for 1929-32 Auburn and Cord, Acme brand paint. I?m looking at the chip for Carmine red. It?s darker than the reds we often see on modern restorations, but nothing brown in its appearance. The mixing formula on the back of the chip is: 16 parts Vermilion (I think we know what that must have been, a pure red) and 10 parts Maroon no. 809. I don?t know what no. 809 Maroon was like, but we can infer from the mixing formulas for two other chips--1929 Auburn Toga maroon (1 quart Madder maroon, 3 oz jet black, 1 oz tinting umber) and 1932 Auburn-Cord maroon (16 oz maroon no. 809, 3 oz black, ? oz orange). Both the maroon chips are very, very dark, so tinting Maroon no. 809 must have been quite dark as well. By the standard of these chips, what we think call maroon in modern paints is really a dark red.

Some will say that old color chips fade or change. I would not argue against that, but it is better to have some information than none at all. I?ve had experience comparing old paints chips for the same early 1930s colors from different companies (tho they were Packard color chips, not Auburn). They were quite close, which suggests that deterioration in well preserved chips does not make them unreliable as guides to colors, even tho you might not trust them for, say, computer matching.

I think the previous owner of my 8-98A strove for the authentic Auburn combination of Toga maroon and Carmine, and he got the distributions of the colors mostly right, for all of which I am grateful. I think he got the colors a bit too light and bright, judging from my old Acme paint chips, but the thought was there.

The evidence from my Acme chip says no brown in Auburn Carmine. Perhaps you have a layer of red/brown primer someone put on for an old repaint?

Andreas,

For what it's worth, I run one of those cans with the replaceable element too. It might cost a point or two at an ACD judging meet, but a lot easier to deal with. I personally don't change the element with every oil change, but I do I use an vacuum extractor to get all the oil from the can.

Obviously with a re-newed engine, you'll change the filter @ the 1st oil change.

The car is coming along nicely.

Mike

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Thanks, Matt, thats the missing link. Sorry Brad, should have read your post carefully.
Will watch out for this housing.
Best
Andreas

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