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Duesenberg powered '34 Ford
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Reviving old memories of days long past and will never return.Nostalgia at its best.
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Summers provided the information I was interested in having. Old age is
catching up with me I am afraid. Thanks for the informative discussion of
one of the lesser known areas of Duesenberg lore. Richards in Iowa
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Refer back to the beginning of this thread and you'll find a post by Chris Summers that details the numbers of the hot rod Duesenbergs. The car in the article above is not the Geronimo car.
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cognoscente please enlighten us. Also, what is the J number of the engine on this vehicle, and of Geronimo if they are different vehicles. Thanks , Richards in Iowa
P.S.- The body of the vehicle shown in the Motorsport article appears to be
a Model A Ford body rather than a 1934 Ford. What is the true story on this
rig? jr
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I remember that car from my youth. I saw it on several occasions in the early 1950's. It had multiple carbs as described in the article, but in the magazine photo its only got a single carb. My dad had a casual friendship with Sterkin and tried unsuccessfully to buy the car just to get the engine, but Sterkin did sell some parts to him.
I had no idea that Sterkin had driven the car at El Mirage. Pretty impressive to say the least.
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mason maynard wrote: hot rod magazine did a good article on this car in the 1960s. it was nicely done from the beginning. you can access old hot rod magazines on their website.
Please post a link to this article. Thanks.
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steve derus wrote: I found the info I was looking for.
If someone can tell me how to include the scanned image I will be glad to do so.
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Full instructions are in the PICTURE GALLERY.
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The first car I referred to in my earlier post was in fact J-113 and it was owned in the 50's by a fellow named Al Sterkin of Pacific Palisades California. I have scanned an image of a correspondence I have in my posession, from ACD Historian Ray Wolff to Sterkin dated June 1962, asking about the disposition of the car, and the reply from Sterkin that the car was sold to "Space Associates, a travel agency near the LA Airport", and Nate Derus (my dad) bought some extra parts that were available.
If someone can tell me how to include the scanned image I will be glad to do so.
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Some info that I found online, not my words:
Those are 4 Stromberg "48" s, the next size larger than a "97" Don't quote me on this. I think the "48" has 1 1/32 venturie vs a "97" 31/32. This log manifold was fabricated by Hal ( passed away in 2003) & Bill Ulrich of Evanston, ILL. This one of 7 or 8 manifolds the Ulrich bros. made for the hot rod that they built in the late 1940's... This paticular one, I do believe it was built for a subsequent owner, Cameron Peck, one of the greatest car collectors in the post war era... He, Cameron Peck, want a low rpm set up for city driving in the Chicago area in the early 50's. Note : the steering column is from a Springfield, Mass built Roll's Phantom , hence the left hand drive.
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PS The four pots, manifold, & linkage were restored TIm Pedergrass.
PPS. The Ulrich bros. work for a time as mechanics for Cameron Peck while he was amassing his car collection. Peck purchased one of Bugatti Royals. I do believe it was the yellow & black "Berline de Voyage''. Also the car was in posession of the Bugatti family at the time of purchase... The car was shipped to Boston,during the winter, were the Ulrich bros, team drove it to Chicago. I asked Hal about its driving impression." Smooth power, fast, & one negative .That huge straight eight puttting out lots of btus, but none of it for the driver. Only the passenger compartment got the heat." Hal. as per conversation with Hal Sept. 2001.
The " Ulrich Hot Rod" was raced at Studebaker Proving Grounds in a road course sanctioned by SCCA.
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Greg, many parts for the J engine are being reproduced check out www.classicandexotic.com
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His car is based on original Marmon V-16 engine components updated to included electronic fuel injection and modern electronics.
His web site is: www.jackbowser.com/
I know most guys on this forum aren't big street rod fans. However, this car is so unusual that I think anyone can appreciate it.
With Duesenberg prices as they are and as easy as it is to reverse engineer things today I'm surprised that someone hasn't hit upon the idea of making new Model J engine components. I suppose it is only a matter of time!
Does anyone have video of the Duesenberg powered rods?
You can also see a video of Jack's car on You Tube:
What a sound!
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I know I have something in my files about the car, if not a photo then at least the name of the fellow who owned it.
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The other car was also a roadster bodied hot rod but I only saw it once at night. All that I can remember is that it had cut down doors like an MG. I think it belonged to a fellow who also owned another Model J. It was for sale but dad passed it up saying it was too much of a chop job. Of course this was back in the days when one bought Model J's for as little as $600.00.
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Known as Geronimo, it looks sort of like a 'Duece' roadster with an extra long nose. Roe's picture shows it with a louvered hood installed, but the hood was off when I saw it.
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It is a pretty cool hot rod, I bet it really flew!
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Leo Gephardt sold the hot rod to Jim Southard at Auburn, according to the No. 7 1974 newsletter. There's a photo of the car on p. 264 of Roe's book.
OTHER HOT RODS:
J-113, originally from a Holbrook Town Cabriolet, was left on the cut-down frame and given an Auburn dual-ratio rear axle in California in 1942. The same engine was moved to a '35-'36 Dodge chassis a year or two later and used with various transmissions, including a Nash Ambassador 3-speed with overdrive and 1931 Packard 4-speed, with specially cut ratios for the rear ends. I think that this engine is in the Newport-designed wood-bodied car built for John North III, though I may be wrong. Appears on p. 129 of Roe with original body and p. 264 as the hot rod.
J-333 is in the "Kollins LaGrande" car, on a modified Packard chassis. The original Judkins Coupe from which it was removed has been restored with another engine, J-160, by Alfred Ferrara.
A LaGrande coupe donated its chassis, 2432, to Indianapolis Ford dealer W. Jim Southard's modern-styled convertible in the 1940s. He spent two years and several thousand dollars rebuilding the chassis and adding the body. Photos on p. 109 of Elbert and 180 of Roe.
Not really a hot rod but a custom is J-462/2522, originally a Murphy Beverly Sedan and later rebodied as a Buick Skylark-style convertible with cow horns on the grille. It has been known for years as the "Tom Mix Duesenberg" but there is no documentation. (Mix had better taste.)
Any others anybody knows of?
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Does anyone have any information or photos of the car? I would be interested in how they made that long straight 8 fit. I would surmise that the Duesenberg engine is much longer than a flathead V-8.
Is this the only Duesenberg powered street rod anyone knows of?
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