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It still is an unrestored original car that has only had a quickie cosmetic partial body paint job with a very plain- unexciting closed four-door body style in my opinion.
From earlier period photos that still survive ~~~ That now polished aluminum beltline molding treatment it is now sporting was just not very long ago stripped & polished during it's quickie cosmetic paint job~~~Just for this auction I suspect ?
Older extant B&W photos in various older Duesenberg books show a painted beltline trim.
Also that polished trim over the windshield on the roof appears to have been added.
I just wonder how well it actually runs & drives mechanically ?
You will not see this car winning any concours show event soon~~~ without a total proper frame-off restoration & proper chassis painting & overall car detailng .
I see two painted exhaust pipe manifold connectors & two rusty units~~~
Also non original fuel line hoses & clamps.
and much much more wrong~~~ just on the auction link photos.
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It is now no longer a totally original "survivor car" since it's new cosmetic quickie re-paint.
Don't get me wrong~~~
It's still a nice car~~~but in this present condition a $$$ 1.2 Million car ? ? ?
REALLY ? ? ?
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Chris Summers wrote: High bid of $1.2 million reported for J-514.
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Most of us, on the other hand are collectors. Collectors usually make decisions without considering the financial downside but based on our own concepts or more often impulses.
As a general rule, a collector jousting with a dealer over a car is not a fair fight. One is level headed and the other is running on emotion.
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I agree with you about having,and actually using a nice "Driver" type car~~~
My above comment means I just thought that Dragone's pre-auction selling estimate of $1.5--$2. Million might not be that realistic despite the extreme rarity of that original factory superchared SJ ?
I guess we shall see when we eventually hear the final auction hammer price~~~to see if I was correct ?
It's still a nice car~~~~But is it a $ 2 MILLION dollar car ?
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I have seen a number of cars that Manny & George have offered for sale in the past that just had quickie paint jobs applied over a car body that was never dis-assembled to paint it .
One similar example that comes to mind was a bright blue Springfield Rolls~Royce Brewster York Roadster that I went down to the "Classics" event in Atlantic City NJ.
Upon inspection & questions to George Dragone. I soon discovered that this car had received a similar quickie paint job without any body disassemblly . Even the fender welting was painted the very same blue !
The underside of the car was showing it's age as nothing had ever been done to it sice new .
When time came to have it cross the auction block they had to push it across as it refused to start-up.
All the other 25+ carsat this event drove past the auction block under their own power !
A similar quickie paint job on this "SJ" might help explain the ill-fitting hood ? ? ! !
Take a look at the chassis rail photo on their web-link above and you will see what I am speaking about.
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mikespeed35 wrote: What did J-514 sell for?
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does someone know the auction-price for that car?
The estimate (by Dragone) was $ 1.5-2.0 Million.
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silverghost wrote: Joel~
That's the Model "J" Murphy I was thinking about~
Thank's for the two great photos of J-345 .
This car is indeed spectacular ; and on my all time top-10 lifetime Classic auto want list.
The very first Hershey auction I spoke about above in the Giant Center happened only weeks after the infamous September 11th New York Terrorist attack.
Sadly because of this tragic American event many autos that Don & Riche had assembled for this auction sold for super-low bargan basement prices.
Dad & I were like "kids in a candy store" at that auction with so many great full Classics.
We were also trying to buy the Rolls ~Royce Phantom II Henley roadster Don had there.
I remember building a plastic Monagram model of that very car as a young child. I still have that very same model.
The first Hershey auction was sadly a real blood-bath for Don & Richie.
I remember also my late father & I seeing, & speaking to, Randy Ema at the auction's preview about this super model "J" we were interested in bidding on.
There were two great model"J" s at this auction.
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J-345 will be offered by RM auctions @Monterey in August!
www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1060491
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Steve Derus wrote: The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.
If it car does indeed have a reserve ~~~That would be quite unusual for the B-J auction as for the last half dozen years, or so, ALL cars had to be consigned at B-J Scottsdale with NO reserve~~~or B-J would NOT accept the consignment.
With this No reserve policy B-J always wins as ALL cars sell. ~~~ While seller/consigners often loose their shirt on many of the B-J auction no reserve sales.
What REALLY happens is the seller ends up buying his own car just to keep it. Then he ends up paying BOTH sides of the commissions. Not widely known by the public.
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original SJ
one of a kind
surviror quality looks excellent
very interesting history. Mrs. Evans must have loved the car to ship it to Europe for use on her trips there.
I've always been an admirer of Dueseys with the polished body accent molding.
I'd guess the hood fit is a fairly simple repair either alignment or adjustment, but then I don't know how the SJ hoods operate.
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The Tourster was in fact directly sold to Howard Hughes himself who owned Hughes Aircraft Co., and several dozen other large corporations.
My great uncle William Hunter sold this car directly to Hughes as he was a close business associate of Howard. Howard may have titled it in the Aircraft Company name & used company funds to pay for it~~~who knows ?
After all he Owned Hughes Aircraft !
Of all the companies in Hughes empire the Aircraft company was his favorite.
It was said by old Hunter family lore that Hughes drove the car for some time himself before, & early, in the war period , then like every other auto he ever owned he quickly grew tired of it and had Hughes Aircraft Co. use it to tow experimental test airframes & so-called "Gliders" with it's aft coachwork chopped-off !
I often wonder if Hughes Aircraft had any photos of this auto in aircraft towing form with the aft body chopped-off ?
I would sure like to see one !
Over his lifetime Howard Hughes owned dozens of fine autos. He gave several Springfield Rolls~Royce Silver Ghosts, & Phantom I, autos to various girlfriends over the years.
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Duesenberg @ RM's Amelia Island auction:
J-530 (S)J Walker CC hammered at $ 4.1 million!
J-444 Derham Tourster sold at (only?) $ 750000
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here I have two prices from todays Gooding auction @Amelia Island
J-500 (orig. J-559) Rollston JN Sedan hammered @ $ 540000
J-338? Le Baron Convertible Sedan hammered @ $ 425000
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Chris Summers wrote: Hammered sold at $1.2 million.
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landmark wrote: Hello,
next weekend is auction-time in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Two nice "open" J's are offered by Gooding and RM.
www.goodingco.com/car/1933-duese ... ible-coupe
www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r163
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does someone know the auction-result for the Derham Tourster @RM auctions?
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next weekend is auction-time in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Two nice "open" J's are offered by Gooding and RM.
www.goodingco.com/car/1933-duese ... ible-coupe
www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r163
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here is another auction result for a Duesenberg J:
1931 Model J Murphy Beverly (J-495 ?) @Dragone auction Hammerprice was at $ 1.25 Million (plus Buyer Premium) Published estrimate was $ 1.5 - 2 Millions
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The Kollins-LaGrande doesn't use a J chassis, just an engine, so it isn't quite in the same category.
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landmark wrote: Hello,
at the Houston Classic Auction, May 5th, there is a so called 1932 Duesenberg Model J LWB Custom Speedster under offer (without reserve).
In my eyes, the body-design is one of the ugliest, ever mounted on a Model J chassis :rolleyes:
www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/au ... D=70&id=44
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Worldwide Auctioneers published a salesprice about $ 297000 for that car.
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I must agree with Matt
Hopefully the new owner will right the wrongs of the former owner and finds an appropriate body for this Duesenberg.
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landmark wrote: Hello,
at the Houston Classic Auction, May 5th, there is a so called 1932 Duesenberg Model J LWB Custom Speedster under offer (without reserve).
In my eyes, the body-design is one of the ugliest, ever mounted on a Model J chassis :rolleyes:
www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/au ... D=70&id=44
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I couldn't agree more. The throne car isn't much to look at either, but at least the nose is traditional.
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at the Houston Classic Auction, May 5th, there is a so called 1932 Duesenberg Model J LWB Custom Speedster under offer (without reserve).
In my eyes, the body-design is one of the ugliest, ever mounted on a Model J chassis :rolleyes:
www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/au ... D=70&id=44
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That was a [i:16sahhhs]fun[/i:16sahhhs] auction to watch, with quite a few cars sold at eyepopping prices.
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