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Chris Summers wrote: The problem is that these cars risk being overshadowed by the once-in-a-lifetime sales of a lot of other great iron at about the same time - a Pierce Silver Arrow at B-J, the Moretti Packards at Gooding, and...well, everything in the Milhous collection. If you are a collector of major 1930s iron - what Bob Roller describes as "everything worth being caught dead in" - and not totally ACD faithful, there's a lot of opportunities not to be missed.
RM is pushing the Milhouses' J-208 / 2223 as the Dolores Del Rio Car. I believe it was actually owned at one time by her husband, Cedric Gibbons, the award-winning stage designer who created the Oscar statuette, and I've never seen anything identifying him as the original owner or any indication that he owned it very long.
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RM published a salesprice of $ 990000 (incl. Buyers premium?) for J 208. The estimate was about $ 900000 - $ 1200000
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Steve Derus wrote: The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.
If it car does indeed have a reserve ~~~That would be quite unusual for the B-J auction as for the last half dozen years, or so, ALL cars had to be consigned at B-J Scottsdale with NO reserve~~~or B-J would NOT accept the consignment.
With this No reserve policy B-J always wins as ALL cars sell. ~~~ While seller/consigners often loose their shirt on many of the B-J auction no reserve sales.
B-J press release announced a 99.69 percent sell-through rate for the entire week. This obviously includes every car bought back by its consigner... which, based on numbers I've heard in the past, could be as high as 40 percent.
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alsancle wrote: There are some real heavy duty cars in that museum.
I have not known about that museum before. You are right looks like there are a lot of "car-jewels" to see.
The SJ La Grande DCP they display there is one of my favorit Duesenbergs.
It is not so far away from here, I think I going to visit it this year.
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Chris Summers wrote: I normally refrain from mentioning owners directly here as it has got me into trouble before. That said, the Louwman Museum (The Hague) shows the car prominently on their website, which is a fairly public admission of ownership.
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I found it on the museum page, it looks like the car is repainted.
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Chris Summers wrote: J-355 / 2225, coming out of Europe. It was black with polished aluminum moldings when last seen at auction.
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Bonhams wrote in its car-discription that the car was displayed in an european museum/collection. Do you know where/in which european country that was?
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landmark wrote:
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and one more, at the RM "Milhous-Collection" auction in Florida in febuary
www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r111
B.t.w. (according to the pictures) a nice looking car.
Matt
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one more Duesenberg Model J Murphy Convertible Sedan is for sale in January @Bonhams auction.
www.bonhams.com/usa/auction/19680/lot/334/
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I agree that BJ has had a no reserve auction policy for a few years but it seems they are now making some exceptions.
Here's a link to the online description of the Duesenberg, note in the column marked "SALE TYPE" that it says "reserve".
www.barrett-jackson.com/applicat ... f22%2f2012
There's an Isotta that has a reserve also, and I think a few others.
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Steve Derus wrote: The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.
If it car does indeed have a reserve ~~~That would be quite unusual for the B-J auction as for the last half dozen years, or so, ALL cars had to be consigned at B-J Scottsdale with NO reserve~~~or B-J would NOT accept the consignment.
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Decades ago B-J started their auction business selling Full Classics & Real Antiques.
In my opinion B-J is NOT the auction with which you want to consign your full Classic .
They are now basically a musclecar & hotrod/streetrod/restomod auction for what I call the more money that brains crowd.
Classics consigned at B-J usually sell for very little money.
Classic & Antique/Brass Era buyers usually don't attend B-J in any large numbers; if at all.
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Chris Summers wrote: The problem is that these cars risk being overshadowed by the once-in-a-lifetime sales of a lot of other great iron at about the same time - a Pierce Silver Arrow at B-J, the Moretti Packards at Gooding, and...well, everything in the Milhous collection. If you are a collector of major 1930s iron - what Bob Roller describes as "everything worth being caught dead in" - and not totally ACD faithful, there's a lot of opportunities not to be missed.
RM is pushing the Milhouses' J-208 / 2223 as the Dolores Del Rio Car. I believe it was actually owned at one time by her husband, Cedric Gibbons, the award-winning stage designer who created the Oscar statuette, and I've never seen anything identifying him as the original owner or any indication that he owned it very long.
Hello Chris,
I expect that there will be some more "one-in-a-lifetime-sales" coming up in the nearer future...
According to an article (Taking the hig road) by Dwight Schooling at "Automobile Quarterly" Volume 30 Number 4 (Summer 1992) the car (J-208) was, as you mentioned, owned by Cedric Gibbons, his wife Dolores del Rio owned a Muphy Town car (J-393?).
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RM is pushing the Milhouses' J-208 / 2223 as the Dolores Del Rio Car. I believe it was actually owned at one time by her husband, Cedric Gibbons, the award-winning stage designer who created the Oscar statuette, and I've never seen anything identifying him as the original owner or any indication that he owned it very long.
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Joel wrote: Time for one our favorite sports, Duesenberg watching! Looks like plenty of them will be crossing the auction blocks this January in Arizona.
How about some friendly speculating, and maybe collecting some details about the cars, and even some predictions? There is plenty to talk about.
Will the spectacular 10 million dollar sale of the Whittell Duesenberg mean a rising tide for all Duesey's? Perhaps that is why so many are being offered. Or is our devastated economy forcing owners to bail? Obviously Mr. O'Quinns collecting affected the maket, as did his passing. Is the ripple effect from Mr. O'Quinn over, or will it carry on?
Gooding is offering this disapearing top Murphy Convertible Coupe, but no details could be found other that this little picture. Any one know the car?
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Gooding published an Estimate about $ 1.6 to 2.2 million for the Murphy CC
You never know what happens at an auction, but I think that sum is very ambitious :rolleyes:
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Steve Derus wrote: There's another J consigned to Mecum in January.
www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detai ... tryRow=670
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and one more, at the RM "Milhous-Collection" auction in Florida in febuary
www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r111
B.t.w. (according to the pictures) a nice looking car.
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I think you are thinking of 2002 and not 2001 The first auction in 2001 had many great cars selling for bargain prices but the Duesenberg you are talking about was either 2002 or 2003. It sold for around 950k I believe.
The only Duesenberg in 2001 was the mis-mash town car who's J number I forget. The 35 Auburn Speedster sold for 120k. I met the buyer at a show a few years ago and he told me how he had never planned on bidding until he saw the prices. He ended up trading it for a Gullwing which looks to be an astute move. The Murphy bodied P1 went for about 50k and was an insane bargain. If you look closely at my avatar you may recognize one of the cars sold in 2001. I also was not planning on buying anything.
The Henley went to Ron Meyers so you can imagine it was sold at wholesale.
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I believe my late Father has the old 2001 Don Williams/Blackhawk/Hershey Auction catalog around here somewhere in his office with most of the eventual selling prices less buyer's premiums .
I will look for it tomorrow for you.
Off the top of my head I cannot remember what those Duesenberg "J" s Don & Richie offered at this auction eventually sold for.
They were indeed rather inexpensive compared to prices attained for Model "J"s in the last year, or so.
I wish again that I had a time machine to be able to go back ten years and bid on that red Murphy "J" Duesey, & R~R Henley roadster .
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silverghost wrote: Joel~
That's the Model "J" Murphy I was thinking about~
Thank's for the two great photos of J-345 .
This car is indeed spectacular ; and on my all time top-10 lifetime Classic auto want list.
The very first Hershey auction I spoke about above in the Giant Center happened only weeks after the infamous September 11th New York Terrorist attack.
Sadly because of this tragic American event many autos that Don & Riche had assembled for this auction sold for super-low bargan basement prices.
Dad & I were like "kids in a candy store" at that auction with so many great full Classics.
We were also trying to buy the Rolls ~Royce Phantom II Henley roadster Don had there.
I remember building a plastic Monagram model of that very car as a young child. I still have that very same model.
The first Hershey auction was sadly a real blood-bath for Don & Richie.
I remember also my late father & I seeing, & speaking to, Randy Ema at the auction's preview about this super model "J" we were interested in bidding on.
There were two great model"J" s at this auction.
Thank's Guys~
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do you remember at what price the car was sold in 2001?
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That's the Model "J" Murphy I was thinking about~
Thank's for the two great photos of J-345 .
This car is indeed spectacular ; and on my all time top-10 lifetime Classic auto want list.
The very first Hershey auction I spoke about above in the Giant Center happened only weeks after the infamous September 11th New York Terrorist attack.
Sadly because of this tragic American event many autos that Don & Riche had assembled for this auction sold for super-low bargan basement prices.
Dad & I were like "kids in a candy store" at that auction with so many great full Classics.
We were also trying to buy the Rolls ~Royce Phantom II Henley roadster Don had there.
I remember building a plastic Monagram model of that very car as a young child. I still have that very same model.
The first Hershey auction was sadly a real blood-bath for Don & Richie.
I remember also my late father & I seeing, & speaking to, Randy Ema at the auction's preview about this super model "J" we were interested in bidding on.
There were two great model"J" s at this auction.
Thank's Guys~
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Thank's for the quick reply~~~
Great for you to clear that question up.
The two autos do look very similar.
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No, the former Eby car is J-345 / 2367.
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If so~~~
We were there & were trying to bid on that model "J" at that time.
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alsancle wrote: Is it just me or is it a bit peculiar that J-284 has 17 wheels with 19 sidemounts and the fenders for 19 wheels?
Yes, looks like someone changed the driving wheels and has forgotten the spares...
Here is a photo with complete fitting wheels
duesey186.com/Datasheets/Model_J ... rm2310.htm
The auctionprices in january would be interesting. I guess/expect that there will be some more Model J "going to market" (private sale or auctions) next time.
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I think the Whittell Coupe was a one-off case and expect the other cars to trade in the same price range for cars of their type as in the past few years. I would not be surprised to see J-381 / 2401 not reach reserve given its sale at Barrett-Jackson. That said, I don't really track market values, so I could be surprised.
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How about some friendly speculating, and maybe collecting some details about the cars, and even some predictions? There is plenty to talk about.
Will the spectacular 10 million dollar sale of the Whittell Duesenberg mean a rising tide for all Duesey's? Perhaps that is why so many are being offered. Or is our devastated economy forcing owners to bail? Obviously Mr. O'Quinns collecting affected the maket, as did his passing. Is the ripple effect from Mr. O'Quinn over, or will it carry on?
Gooding is offering this disapearing top Murphy Convertible Coupe, but no details could be found other that this little picture. Any one know the car?
RM is offering this Dual Cowl Phaeton:
Barret Jackson Is offering chassis 2401, engine J-381
I'm still thinking things over before I make any predictions. What do you guys think? Any other cars coming up for auction that you know of?
Have fun, Joel
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