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16 Nov 2009 00:27 #15051 by sunroofcord

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Steve Derus wrote: This one?

Yup, That One! Thanks to Steve and Chris for posting the photos.

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15 Nov 2009 02:53 #15045 by Chris Summers

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This is Clark Gable's JN as it appears today after a restoration. The photo was taken at Pebble Beach by Robert Armstrong.

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13 Nov 2009 20:14 #15023 by Chris Summers

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Also notice that in the black-and-white photo, the door sill line curves up towards the rear fender. Not so in the Lucas car. Not so sure about the two-tone paint.

It could be the body from J-153 / 2178, with the modifications Paul mentioned, but I'm not sure. Does Lucas still own J-364? It was offered at Kruse Fall Auburn a few years ago but I don't think it sold.

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I would bet that the body once had similar two tone paint like the J-364 has now - follow the line

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12 Nov 2009 22:32 #15006 by Chris Summers

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Thanks, Paul.

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12 Nov 2009 22:30 #15005 by paul111

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While they look similar they are not the same. The windscreen on J364 has a curve on the upper edge and the top curve on the door is much steeper where it meets the cowl. The door also looks bigger to me although it's hard to tell esp. with the two tone paint.

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12 Nov 2009 20:01 #15000 by Chris Summers

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Good point, Jan, I had never noticed that before...

Ed Lucas owns/owned J-364/2369 for a long time and had it restored with that body (which probably never saw the inside of Murphy's shop...ever). He also owned J-153/2178 at one point, right before the CHASSIS was sold to Carroll. The plot thickens...

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this body was formerly presumably on J-153 / 2178

why does it seem to me to be in some details very similar to the "Murphy" body that is with J-364? especially the windscreen and the shape of the doors looks to be the same

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11 Nov 2009 02:45 #14971 by Chris Summers

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paul111 wrote: I believe the red and black Figoni is a replica body built on the original chassis after the body and chassis were seperated and the body believed lost during a restoration when the owner died.

The original figoni body is now blue and black and has curved louvres and much wider fenders with no supercharger. It was mated with another duesenberg chassis when the body was rediscovered after the replica was built. The old photos that I have seen of this car show it being white (or some light color) and one dark colour as well as two tone.

If anyone has different info please let me know.

You're right. Rick Carroll put the steel original body on J-153 / 2178 and an aluminum replica on the French Speedster's original chassis, J-465 / 2509. Both were restored. J-465 / 2509 is the supercharged car in the picture and is owned by the Manns in NJ. Last I heard J-153 / 2178, the blue and black car, was in a collection in Nevada.

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11 Nov 2009 01:04 #14969 by paul111

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I believe the red and black Figoni is a replica body built on the original chassis after the body and chassis were seperated and the body believed lost during a restoration when the owner died.

The original figoni body is now blue and black and has curved louvres and much wider fenders with no supercharger. It was mated with another duesenberg chassis when the body was rediscovered after the replica was built. The old photos that I have seen of this car show it being white (or some light color) and one dark colour as well as two tone.

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11 Nov 2009 00:52 #14968 by Steve Derus

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This one?

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10 Nov 2009 21:33 #14964 by sunroofcord

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The Clark Gable car that he sold after Carole Lombards death is my favorite. Maybe Chris has a picture he can post of that particular car.

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10 Nov 2009 21:26 #14963 by Chris Summers

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The French Speedster has been modified significantly since it was built. It was not supercharged and did not have side exhaust originally. It was a much more attractive car, IMHO, as originally built.

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I?m not sure about the Schwartz Speedster with the fenders expecting high water

Of the speedsters I prefer the Figoni, especially the tail and the fenders, what I don?t understand on this body are the chrome screens with the external exhaust - it doesn?t go together with the european body

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09 Nov 2009 00:16 #14931 by paul111

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Here are my favorites--

This one
www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic.php ? ... arnum=3446

and this one
www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic.php ? ... arnum=1832

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09 Nov 2009 00:10 #14930 by Mike Dube

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I can't say I love them all (the throne car comes to mind), but certainly most of them.

Chris lists two of my favorites:

Murphy Convertible Coupe #J-357 / 2388. The longest term owner of record was someone I was fortunate to spend a fair amount of time talking with at Auburn over the years. I love the Murphy convertible coupes, this one in particular.

Brunn Riviera Phaeton #J-528 / 2551. The last (and very long term) owner of this car prior to the current one was from my area. I have ridden in it a couple of times, and she runs very nicely!

here's my third:

LeBaron Barrelside Phaeton # J-299 / 2318. A short wheelbase barrelside with an interesting history.

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08 Nov 2009 18:57 #14927 by fyreline

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My own personal favorite:

J-526-2554 Weymann Torpedo Phaeton

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08 Nov 2009 18:22 #14926 by Chris Summers

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I love them all, but three in particular:

Brunn Riviera Phaeton #J-528 / 2551. I know the fellow who did its first mechanical rebuild in the early 1950s when he was my age and hear stories about driving it hard and fast regularly.

Murphy Dual Cowl Phaeton #J-264 / 2285. Looks like it just left Jay Gatsby's carriage house.

Murphy Convertible Coupe #J-357 / 2388. The only J to anyone's knowledge sold new in my home state and owned by natives ever since. Also, a great largely original car that still gets driven.

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08 Nov 2009 11:53 #14923 by

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It could be a blending of memories, but I'd swear that car did not have side pipes before. The OQuinn collection has a supercharged Auburn with no side pipes.

The car sure looks better with the top down. It has a trunk lid way out on the end of that boat tail with a smallish functional truck.

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08 Nov 2009 06:03 #14922 by Steve Derus

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Bill,
This is the black speedster you referenced. Chassis #2536
Last I knew it was owned by the Family Classic Cars dealer in south Orange County, and I've seen it in their showroom. Now their website says it has been sold. BTW it has side pipes but the hood sides do not have the screens.

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Sitting beside me at Amelia Island was that Bill Harrah, Schwartz, Clyde Wade, and whoever else Duesenberg speedster with pontoon fenders and no side pipes. Jerry Moore had that car for awhile. It was red, then black, then I think red again. Last time I saw it it was black.

I like the looks of that car.

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08 Nov 2009 00:59 #14919 by sds1861

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My choice is The Twenty Grand by a mile. I have never seen a more beautiful car.
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I like the Mudd Coupe,

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07 Nov 2009 21:13 #14917 by Steve Derus

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I submit the following:
all three of the Walker convertible roadsters, I'm partial to the SJ 530/2563

The long wheelbase Murphy convertble berline

The SJN convertible roadster J533/2561

The Twenty Grand

The Mormon Meteor

The "last Duesenberg" J397?/????

The Brunn Torpedo phaeton with one piece external exhaust J496?

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07 Nov 2009 19:55 #14916 by rockyvoss

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Well now we know of some of the not so pretty Dusenbergs ,see last
post. Lets hear some of your opinions of the best looking Duesenbergs.
Since I thought of it, I'll vote for the taper tail speedster in a California collection. My filing system does not allow me to give you the numbers of the car at this time, I can only look up car unless I have a J number.

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