Sam Adelman's N.Y. Full Classic Junkyard

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30 May 2013 18:41 #25263 by silverghost
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Thank's RANDY ! ! !

You always come through with the great answers to very tough historical ACD questions ; & also my fairly obscure questions ! ! !

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30 May 2013 19:08 #25269 by West Peterson
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Was the Adelman yard near or under one of New York's bridges. I've heard stories that my father's 1930 Packard 734 boattail speedster was in such a yard, and would like to know if it was Adelman's.

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30 May 2013 20:40 #25274 by silverghost
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It was not under ~~~but not that far from the Tappan Zee bridge~~~on Columbus ave (Now rt 22 )

Check Google Earth for 635 South Columbus Ave Mount Vernon New York to see the area today.
His large building was still there last time I looked at the Sat. . photos !
Sam had several scrap lots in this same general area.
He would often run out of space & lease additional storage lot grounds in this immediate area.

Sam also had an older smaller scrap yard near the Bronx & one in Brooklyn before he consolidated into only a one lot operation later in his life.
HE then had a sign proclaiming "Sam Adelman Auto Wrecking & Salvage in All it's branches" posted just outside the main yard gate !
Sam was a very funny guy with a heart of gold !
He would often come out with many words of wisdom .
He had a very dry sense of humor and often called folks that irritated him "Mental Giants" !
If he saw that you shared a true love & interest in these old Cassics he would take you on his famous 50 cent all day tour of his scrap yard.
Dad & I learned quite a bit about those grand old Classics from Sam
He treated me very well & kindly as a very young kid who had matchbox model cars of many of his beloved Classics.
Sam would only Accept Classic autos from the 20s-30s in his yard~~~Nothing Newer !
You could have bought complete Classics from Sam for only $150-$300. in the early to mid 1960s
Many were in Running condition !
And you had better not refer to anything in his yard as "JUNK" !
I found out this the hard way on our very first visit!


Sam Adelman most likely saved hundreds of great Classics that we still see today !
It would not surprise me if your Dad's car was in fact saved by good old Sam !
Sam used to place lots of adverts in the first old then very thin Hemmings Motor news !

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31 May 2013 22:00 #25295 by Jonathan Richards
Jonathan Richards replied the topic: SAM ADELMAN AND THE CLASSIC AUTO SAGA
,DEAR FELLOW ACD CLUB FORUM READERS,
This now 2 page post has to be one of the finest and historically significant compilations of commentary on the hobby that I have
had the pleasure to read , contemplate and enjoy. It began with one
of the earliest posts by frequent forum contributor Brad Hunter , aka
Silverghost dated 11-22-2010 and ends yesterday with the most
recent post by Mr. Hunter yesterday 5-30-2013. In between are
posts by various contributors including, in no special order , PNP Malks,
Randy Ema , Chris Summers , West Peterson and others. The primary
contributor is Brad Hunter and a marvelous historical yarn he spins.
I highly recommend this thread to readers of our forum. Sincerely,
Jonathan Richards at Red Oak, Iowa aka <a href="mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]

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01 Jun 2013 05:46 #25300 by silverghost
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Thank You Jonathan~~
for your very kind compliments !

I often don't know if I am just angering forum members here with my old memory lane threads, like I seem to have angered the AACA forum moderators & AACA club officials, I have NOT returned to that website since ! ! !

OR~~~
If the ACD club members & Form readers here actually really Enjoy reading my various Antique & Classic Car threads ?
I often wonder if many folks actually Read my threads here as they are often not exactly ACD auto related ?

This old thread started with me sitting home alone here and just going down memory lane thinking of the great times I once had with my Dad and his Classic & Brass era car hobby~~~

I really miss my Dad who passed-away a few years ago at 92 Y/O~~~
Dad attended the Very First AACA Hershey Fall Meet in the early 1950s heald completely inside the old horseshoe Hershey stadium. There were only a couple dozen cars, if that many, at this first show & six flea market parts vendors !
Ever since Dad had returned every fall through age 91~~~When he thought I could make the annual trip to Hershey with him I have attended this event with him ever since the age of four !

He was my Best buddy & we shared our old car hobby & boating & fishing together.
Everyone always said that we were unlike any other Father & Son team that they have ever seen !

Since the late 1950s I used to tag-along with my father on his various car expeditions.

In the early days this car hobby one of the primary restoraton items that my Dad was always searching for were good New Old Stock tires.

There were No repoduction tires in the early days of the car collecting hobby.
Finding good usable tires in older long dicontinued tire sizes & types was THE MAIN single restoration problem issue that these early car collector/restorers faced .

SURE~~
Sears sold a few common old sizes in thier famous catalog~~~Mosty in model "T" & "A" sizes for surviving cars that farmers & ranchers were still using as work "Trucks"
Many of these tires had the Sears & Roebuck's private "Allstate" logo name on the side. I still have a half dozen old cars sporting 1950s-70s "ALLSTATE" tires on them !

Montgomery~Ward also had some old tire sizes in their catalog .

On family weekend country car trips Dad would always stop at old long established tire dealers he spotted along he way to ask if they had any older style tires in stock that had been sitting around in storage gathering dust for years.
Dad would buy Every New Old Stock tire he could find;
if he actually needed that style & size tire or not !

He knew that he Might need them some day for another car that he would eventually be adding to his ever growing Brass & Classic collection.


Dad also knew that he could always trade un-needed tire sizes to other collector friends of his such as Henry "Austie" Austin Clarke in Long Island , singer James Melton,Jim Hoe in Ct, Cameron Peck, Ralph Buckley in NJ ,Bill Pollock in Pottstown PA,, & a long long list of other old "antique " car collectors whome most average folks thought were just crazy old car nuts !

On many of these weekend car trips Dad would fill the Entire trunk & back-seat area of his 1953 DeSoto, & somtimes part of the front seat passenger area, with NOS tires & tubes !
Many of these old tires were still factory wrapped in spiraled-resin treated brown wrapping & shipping paper !
Mom would just shake her head and keep telling Dad~~~" Don't forget to leave a little space for Brad & I,~~~~We don't want to stay here; or ride home on the roof ! "
Mom & I often rode all the way home sitting ON & totally surrounded by tires.
Dad also sometimes had tires strapped on his add-on suction cup & strap roof racks .

When we finally arrived back home we would pile the new tire finds in the second floor unused former driver's apartment in my Grandmother's old grand carriage house.
When mounted many of these New Old Stock tires held-up very well when used on the road~~~~
Ohers just wore-out in only a few hundred miles of road use~~~ as they were dry rotted and just powdered away !

At the time of my Grandmother's death in 1962 this second floor apartment was packed with NOS tires !

It was not until much later that mega-collector Winthrop Rockefeller acquired some long forgotten old tire molds and started to reproduce "Antique & Classic " car tires for the old car hobby in the basement of his large car museum .
I believe he may have been the Very First person to offer new reproduction car tires to fellow old car collectors ? ?


It was due in a very large part to the pioneer old auto guys , like Sam Adelman ,who had enough forsight & Love for these then almost forgotten Classics & Antiques to save few of them for the future~~~that we still have these survivor cars around today to continue to Love & Enjoy hopefully long long into the distant future !

I am now 58 Y/O and have always wanted to own, or at least drive, a Model "J" Duesenberg since I first saw one in my own neighborhood in the later 1950s ~~~~

That would be my Ultimate Dream Classic Car to own !

Will I ever be able to actually own one ? ? ? ?
That is the BIG question ? ? ? ? ! ! !

This Duesenberg quest is what first got me to join your Great ACD forum just a few short years ago~~~

I do not care one bit what these great old cars seem to be worth today.
To me they are Not just another investment~~~

Dad & I truely LOVED these cars for what they were , and still are !
Grand & Beautiful Mechanical Machines from our past glory days~~~

Dad always said that they were not made to just sit in big fancy museums.
He & I drove ALL his/our old cars~~~~
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And WE were the Only ones who ever worked on them !

Just six weeks before Dad's passing-away, at the very young at heart age of 92, I one day found him under our newest car Barn~Find"
[ Springfield Rolls~Royce/ Brewster Phantom I # S-136 PM the Wimbledon Special Coupe' a 1926 New York Hotel Salon Showcar ]
He was laying on an old throw runner carpet under our low rise rotary lift scrapeing many years of accumultions of road-grime mixd with bijur chassis lubrication system lube oil .

When I asked him what he was working on now ?
He just climbed out from under that old Rolls~Royce covered from head to tow with 70+ years grease, dirt & grime with with the biggest smile you ever saw on his then 91 year old's face.
He was living his ultimate dream~~~~
Working on another one of his great "Barn-Find" dream cars~~~
You Know~~~He remembered these cars when they were still just brand new~~~as he was born in 1917 !
He had actually towed this car home himself on a flatbed trailer behind our 1991 Chevy 454 SS Super Sport pick-up Truck

That look he gave to me that day was priceless~~~
! will NEVER forget that great smile he gave me on that day !

That was the very last time we would Ever work on a car together !

In the next six weeks he had gone from looking like a person who was often times mistaken for being only 75~~~ ,while actually being 91 years old~~~ ,to only six short weeks later ~~~a person who looked like he was 100+ years old ~~~

We only two weeks later found out that he had developed stage 4 +++ stomach & throat cancer~~~
He was then told that he only had a few weeks ~~~to at best a month ~~~to live !
He sadly passed-away at age 92 only six weeks later.

I thought I was prepared for his passing~~~
Sadly I have found I was not !!!
He was my ENTIRE life~~~
I still have not been able to get over his death !
Now I am sadly all alone in this world ~~~
I was , and still am, crushed by his passing ~~~~
and still extremely very depressed~~~


One thing I know for sure~~~~

Working on his old cars & boats , along with hanging-out & living with me kept ~~~Dad very young at heart & mind !

He stayed very active all his life ~~~~until the very end !

Dad LOVED great old cars~~~

His Old Cars,& Boating & Fishing in Ocean City NJ with me , along with my late Mother were the true LOVES of his entire life !

Posting new threads & reply posts here is just a small way for me to honor & fondly remember my Father~~~

I do not know if this is a good thing for me to do~~~or Not ?

Perhapps I am just still sadly living in the past ? ?

Cheers to you all ! ! ! ~~~
BRAD HUNTER

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02 Jun 2013 14:17 #25314 by silverghost
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WEST~~~

Thinking about your question about your Dad's Packard originally comming from a Long Island auto salvage yard.

I just remembered yet another old auto salvage yard operation in the Long Island NY area that Dad & I also visited in the late 1950s-late 1960s~~~

This was a very large auto salvage yard in size & scope~~~
Much larger than Sam's

Henry Austin "Austin Clark Jr. first told Dad about this place~~~

"Uncle Austie's" wife was a distant relation to my Father as her former maiden name was Waleta Hunter !

"Uncle Austie" had once told us he had dragged a number of great early Antiques & Classics out of this scrarpyard~
One of "Austie's" great finds from that very yard that I remember was a spectacular Locomobile ~~~~a 1906 or 07 I believe ?

It was called~~~ Mike Caruso's Auto Scrapyard~~~~ located I believe in Hicksville Long Island .

There were literally hundreds of Antique autos in Mike's yard in the late 1950s }! ! !
I do believe that old Mike was in the Antique & Classic auto hobby ? ? ? And very active in the NY region !
Supposedly Mike was a great friend of "Uncle Austie"Cark.

I remenber seeing many great old cars in this yard ; along with a large number of old scrappd WW II Warbird hulks & very large military avation engines.

I will see if I can dig-up an exact road, or street address, for Caruso's scrapyard out of my Dad's old files~~~
It may take me some time digging ~~~~I suspect !
If can locate the exact address we can then use Google earth to see what it looks like today

Cheers~~~
BRAD

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