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As to the car, I can't speak to any of the facts as Chris, Randy and others can. Regardless this seems to me a very low cost entrance into the Dusenberg experience. If it becomes part of a museum collection I doubt anyone will question the finer points of how it came to be, and if the lucky new owner chooses to run the wheels of it as I would, well so much the better <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt="" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->
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alsancle wrote: I wish I had Ted's paperwork with the J & chassis numbers. But I'll provide an overview. There were 10 or 11 Billing's Touristers. It went something like this:
1. Original engine, tranny, rear end, firewall, instruments etc. Just the body swap.
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11. Mostly original engine, buick rear end, truck tranny, reproduction instruments, reproduction firewall, reproduction chassis, etc. CAST front axle.
The first cars were great and should be valued accordingly. The last cars had a J engine and that was about it. The biggest deal is the front axle which were cast reproductions not forged. You cannot adjust a cast axle by heating it. These cars should be valued less. Everything in between is a gradual deviation from #1.
If the car in question was a lower number then I think it was a bargain. If the car in question was higher then maybe the price was appropriate. I do not know where this particular car falls on the spectrum.
Hello,
it looks like there is an other Billings "Duesenberg" :rolleyes: on the market:
Engine-no. 356? an no chassis-number...
www.stlouiscarmuseum.com/stlcarm ... sp?id=1600
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1. Original engine, tranny, rear end, firewall, instruments etc. Just the body swap.
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11. Mostly original engine, buick rear end, truck tranny, reproduction instruments, reproduction firewall, reproduction chassis, etc. CAST front axle.
The first cars were great and should be valued accordingly. The last cars had a J engine and that was about it. The biggest deal is the front axle which were cast reproductions not forged. You cannot adjust a cast axle by heating it. These cars should be valued less. Everything in between is a gradual deviation from #1.
If the car in question was a lower number then I think it was a bargain. If the car in question was higher then maybe the price was appropriate. I do not know where this particular car falls on the spectrum.
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DJT wrote: lol - took awhile to sink in.. the building behind the car (J375 SJ) made the car look like it had an ugly square top with a pickup bed on the back. Thinking yeah... that price fits if it looks like that. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
never-mind... I'll go crawl back under my rock
Whenever a picture is taken of anything. The back ground must be factured into what someone is going to see. I have seen some terrible blurry pictures of items someone is attempting to sell. I sometimes wonder what a person is trying to hide in a blurred pic. As noted, this car has the appearance of a square top but looking closer its the building in the back ground as noted above. Its shocking the amount of information on this car. Its also good to know "people" are in the know about every little item about these wonderful cars too. Heres hopeing the new owner of this car knew what he was buying.
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never-mind... I'll go crawl back under my rock
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The original car J-375 / 2394 is believed to have been a Willoughby Berline, which Marshall Merkes parted out c. 1949. In the 1970s Leo Gephart got some remains of the car, most notably most of the original engine, and had Ted Billing make him a car. Ray Wolff's notes make no mention of the original frame being part of the project or surviving post 1949, and note "engine only" surviving in the Billing recreation. The current frame is numbered 2394 but I believe it to be a recreation.
I have never seen any mention of the engine in this car being supercharged at any point prior to the construction of the Tourster in the 1970s. I believe the current supercharger is a Gephart reproduction, given the car's history.
As always, I welcome alternative versions of the history. Our Duesenberg Historian should chime in at some point with his opinions. Let's avoid talk of lawsuits, however.
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An original SJ blower would bring more than 1/2 of what this car sold for all on it's own.
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Chris, is this one of Ted's cars?
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"When chassis 2394, a long wheelbase version, left the Indianapolis factory, it had mounted on it engine J375, supercharged from the factory and just as it is presented today. ... In the world of Duesenbergs to find an SJ model is rare. To find one that is still with its original chassis and even more special."
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I'm curious...why did J375 SJ sell at what to me seems to be such a low price. OK, I understand its not the original body, but that's not su unusual for a Duesneberg. If this is truly an original SJ with the original chassis and engine, it seems like it should have sold for a lot more than $375k.
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When I left yesterday Franay Princess J365 Chassis 2385 remained unsold. Bidding opened at $1,000,000 and was closed at $1,900,000. However, they may have had a deal working after it crossed the block.
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