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Chris Summers wrote:
West Peterson wrote: Referencing metallic paints: Too many prewar cars look like they were restored in a bass-boat factory.
Both hysterical, and absolutely true.
The Franay car sold at Dan Kruse Classics's September 15th sale for $1.65 million to a U.S. buyer.
Hello,
it looks like that car will be offered once again @ an auction in TX www.motostalgia.com/the-cars/
Published estimate is $ 1.5 - 2.0 million
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Hello,
does anyone know the saturday auction-result for that car?
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Mike Dube wrote: Matt,
The Society of Automotive Historians publication Automotive History Review concentrated on European Duesenbergs some years back, both those bodied there & US constructed cars shipped there. At one time, you could order back issues. autohistory.org/
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The Society of Automotive Historians publication Automotive History Review concentrated on European Duesenbergs some years back, both those bodied there & US constructed cars shipped there. At one time, you could order back issues. autohistory.org/
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Bob Roller wrote: How many were sold in Europe and how many are still extant? I have heard the WW2 took quite a toll on them. I would think that the ones that were in use in Paris might have survived because the French,unlike the the Brits ran up the white flag rather than see Paris bombed like London and Coventry.
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I think it as bit tricky to figure that out; according to the Adler-book a number of 39 (maybe 42?) Chassis had been equiped by european choachbuilding companies.
But not all of these european bodied cars were sold/remained in Europe.
E.G.: J-481/2503 was purchased by Greta Garbo in the US or J-585, that car was ordered by an Indian maharaja.
I don't have a clue how many US-bodied J's were purchased by european costumers.
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Chris Summers wrote:
West Peterson wrote: Referencing metallic paints: Too many prewar cars look like they were restored in a bass-boat factory.
Both hysterical, and absolutely true.
The Franay car sold at Dan Kruse Classics's September 15th sale for $1.65 million to a U.S. buyer.
Hello,
it looks like that car will be offered once again @ an auction in TX www.motostalgia.com/the-cars/
Published estimate is $ 1.5 - 2.0 million
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West Peterson wrote: Referencing metallic paints: Too many prewar cars look like they were restored in a bass-boat factory.
Both hysterical, and absolutely true.
The Franay car sold at Dan Kruse Classics's September 15th sale for $1.65 million to a U.S. buyer.
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The Cadillac show-car reference is correct, thus the AACA's acceptance of metallic from November 1927.
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Bob Roller wrote: Fine looking cars. I like the sedan but the built in roof leak
we call a sun roof today would have to go. Does either car exist today in any form? Isn't there another Franay bodied car here in the USA---J365(maybe)?.
Is here any record on the survival of these Eurobodied Duesenbergs? How many went to Europe to begin with.I heard around 60 but are there any firm numbers??
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Hello Bob,
here it is. Car 2385, should be J-365, Franay Sports Berline (with sunroof) will be auctioned @Dan Kruse auction in Rosanky TX on 3rd of march 2012.
www.kruseclassics.com/index.cfm ? ... O12&lot=83
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The car will be offered again at an auction next week:
www.kruseclassics.com/index.cfm ? ... A12&lot=65
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"Brighter pigments also arrived during the 1920s, and designers began experimenting with what we now call a "metallic" finish. Georgano tantalizingly mentions "something of a vogue for 'granite' finishes" in 1923-24. The AACA recognizes metallic paint as authentic back to November 1, 1927 (so that Cord's O.K., too); but the judging manual does not elaborate on the significance of that particular date. Beginning in 1932, some European coachworks began to use guanin from herring scales to produce a "pearl essence" effect. True metallics (that is, with bits of shiny metal floating in the binder) reached Europe two years later, and were common by mid-decade."
To read rest of this very interesting story about car painting:http://www.hemmings.com/hcc/stories/2005/04/01/hmn_feature15.html
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While I can't say for sure, I would imagine the later cars could probably be had with metallic pigments. Certainly not "metalflake" as we know it today, but a very fine metallic. From foggy remembrance, I would describe this car's current paint job as metallic. Still, not a good shade....
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Were any "J"'s ever painted with metallic paints when new. The story I heard was that meallic paints were the result of a mechanical failure in a paint mixer and a failed ball bearing introduced this flaky substance into a show car's paint job. I THINK maybe a Cadillac of some kind. Anyone have any ideas about this??
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Bob Roller wrote: Fine looking cars. I like the sedan but the built in roof leak
we call a sun roof today would have to go. Does either car exist today in any form? Isn't there another Franay bodied car here in the USA---J365(maybe)?.
Is here any record on the survival of these Eurobodied Duesenbergs? How many went to Europe to begin with.I heard around 60 but are there any firm numbers??
Bob Roller
Hello Bob,
here it is. Car 2385, should be J-365, Franay Sports Berline (with sunroof) will be auctioned @Dan Kruse auction in Rosanky TX on 3rd of march 2012.
www.kruseclassics.com/index.cfm ? ... O12&lot=83
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J-365 / 2385 was also originally a Franay Town Car and later rebodied by them as a sedan, which survives in TX and is presently for sale.
J-369 / 2384 was last heard of in France in 1946.
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we call a sun roof today would have to go. Does either car exist today in any form? Isn't there another Franay bodied car here in the USA---J365(maybe)?.
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