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and a Model J Murphy Torpedo Berline Convertible at a time owned by the movie-actor Tyrone Power
www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detai ... 114-174286
B.t.w. I have learned that T. Power is the father of Romina Power, in europe she was (together with her former husband Albano) a very popular singer with serveral No. 1 Chart-Hits in the early 1980ies
Here is a medley
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Hello,
I looks like there are very few Model J's offered at the Monterey auction circus in August.
one 1929 Murphy Conv. Sedan @Gooding www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1929-d ... e-sedan-2/
and Mecum starts a new attempt to sell the Powers Duesey
Thats it so far...
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Thanks Steve, I remember it being in the ACD museum around 80-81 when I was working there. (sorry, not a fan of European coachwork <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt="" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> ) Others were ga-ga about it, and it was a nice car, but not me.Steve Derus wrote: Yes, that is correct. Bill Harrah restored it in a burnt orange/dark brown color scheme. I saw it in the Harrah Collection in Sparks NV back in about 1966.
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in my opinion that car has one of the "better" looking european bodies (there are not many that I like). But I love the "original" Duesenberg-Style-Grille and I think that car would even look better with a Duesey-Grille.
Here are some pictures of that car: www.duesey2208.com/Datasheets/Mo ... rm2254.htm
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does the Graber Cabriolet 2254 really have engine J-246 as stated on this website?
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landmark wrote: Hello,
J-148 will be offered at the Paris Retromobile auction by artcurial.
Estimate 600-800k Euro.
www.artcurial.com/en/asp/fullcat ... 56&image=3 You will find the description in english tongue, underneath the french one.
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artcurial marked that car as unsold. Does anybody know the highest bid on that car?
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You're not old enough to have those kind of memory lapses.
I was under the impression that particular car was back in
Switzerland. I'm glad it isn't.
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I'll look in the file when I'm back at work Monday and see if it's in there. I don't remember it but may find it.
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The photo of the car in the "burnt orange" color scheme is flattering. When I saw it first hand in those colors at Harrah's collection I remember thinking it was rather unbecoming. Personally I think the blue scheme compliments the lines of the car better. Either way, a lovely car.
I think I remember giving a photo I took of the car to Chris Summers.
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Steve Derus wrote: The car you refer to is 2254 I think still owned by Sam and Emily Mann in NJ.
I saw this car only one time and that was as Harrah was finishing its restoration. I was shocked to see the Duesenberg emblem on the grille, I guessed it to be a Delahaye at first glance.
Hello,
in my opinion that car has one of the "better" looking european bodies (there are not many that I like). But I love the "original" Duesenberg-Style-Grille and I think that car would even look better with a Duesey-Grille.
Here are some pictures of that car: www.duesey2208.com/Datasheets/Mo ... rm2254.htm
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I saw this car only one time and that was as Harrah was finishing its restoration. I was shocked to see the Duesenberg emblem on the grille, I guessed it to be a Delahaye at first glance.
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don't feel like I should say what the amount was.
It is NOT one of the better looking Duesenbergs and I agree with AJ on the modifications he mentioned.
There was another "J"with a Graber body that was spectacular and it isn't the one shown in Elbert's book. On this one,the only external Duesenberg features are the wheels and the instrument panel.Is it in the USA or somewhere else?
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I've seen similar bodies on Renault Vivasix and Packard Twelve chassis (I think the Packard's body was moved from a Renault).
I like how the French auction catalogue gets much more excited about the legitimacy of the body than the Duesenberg chassis underneath.
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J-148 will be offered at the Paris Retromobile auction by artcurial.
Estimate 600-800k Euro.
www.artcurial.com/en/asp/fullcat ... 56&image=3 You will find the description in english tongue, underneath the french one.
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Bob Roller wrote: Matt,
About 60 years ago,Jack Irwin and I installed a clutch in this car, J-357.It had about 20,000 miles on it then. This was a nice but slightly neglected original.The picture in Elbert's first edition shows it as a car in decline but back then,7:50x19 tires were nearly unobtainable and what few there were
had been around too long and were dry rotted.
I have driven it several times and it was a good running,good driving Duesenberg.
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Hello Bob,
I always appreciate your postings, they bring the history of some cars much closer to me.
I know which two (Elbert Book) photos you mentioned.
One of them is aswell published on the Curtright-website www.duesey2208.com/Datasheets/Mo ... rm2388.htm
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The red plastic or naugahyde or dog hide was not in this car when we worked on it. I saw it with the red stuff for the first time in 1986 and
had no idea it was a seat cover. Good idea IMHO.
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J-357 is going to auction with its original upholstery uncovered for the first time in...many, many years. (The red plastic upholstery installed when Bob knew the car was actually seat covers for the original black leather.)
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It was a restyled running board for sure.
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About 60 years ago,Jack Irwin and I installed a clutch in this car, J-357.It had about 20,000 miles on it then. This was a nice but slightly neglected original.The picture in Elbert's first edition shows it as a car in decline but back then,7:50x19 tires were nearly unobtainable and what few there were
had been around too long and were dry rotted.
I have driven it several times and it was a good running,good driving Duesenberg.
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landmark wrote:
Chris Summers wrote:
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No word yet on Mecum.
Hello,
it looks like the Duesy@mecum was not sold too. www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detai ... 813-161577
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Hello,
the car would be offered (again) @Mecum Kissimmee in January
www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detai ... 114-174314
and a Model J Murphy Torpedo Berline Convertible at a time owned by the movie-actor Tyrone Power
www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detai ... 114-174286
B.t.w. I have learned that T. Power is the father of Romina Power, in europe she was (together with her former husband Albano) a very popular singer with serveral No. 1 Chart-Hits in the early 1980ies
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Two more Duesenberg J auction offers in january
J-357 Murphy CC by RM
rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1064420
Looks like a nice car for to use it
J-129 Le Baron DCP by Gooding
www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1929-d ... phaeton-2/
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Steve Derus wrote: That could happen in about 30 years when all of us old guys are long gone and no one cares anymore about the cars we revere.
And this is why I describe what I do as "keeping the flame alive." Somebody's got to be around to remember.
Incidentally, no "said to be" or "supposed to be" - that is an original supercharger on J-512, bought by the immediately previous owner for the car at considerable cost.
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mikespeed35 wrote: That car, J365, was a no sale at 1.5M in TX.
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Steve Derus wrote: price seems low on J-512 to me, especially when compared to the Franay sedan at $1.65M earlier this year. A true SJ Beverly should be worth much more. Wasn't it Best of Show at ACD Festival a few years ago?
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the Franay car was offered again, last week @motostalgia auction during the formula-one race-weekend in Austin, Tx.
Unfortunately I have not found any information if the car has been sold or not and for what price (highest bid).
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I think it is 50/50 on the convertible/hardtop ratio over 2 million. Many of the Ferrari's are hard tops. The Wittel coupe was a hardtop. All the Tabot Largo and Delahaye that bring big money are hard tops.
It is totally about style, engine and provenance at the upper levels.
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landmark wrote: Hello,
J-512 a 1933 Duesenberg Model (S)J Murphy Beverly sold @RM New York auction for hammerprice of $ 1.6 Million
Far under its published estimate of $ 2 to 2.5 million.
www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1063792
It is said that the car is equiped with an original supercharger, not a repro.
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Probaly because it is a closed car. Don't see too many cars without a folding top go for over a million, at least none that I've noticed.
That fact that it sold that far under the estimate tells me thet the seller didn't believe the estimate.
The fact that it sold for 1.6 million tells me that it must be an outstanding car!
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J-512 a 1933 Duesenberg Model (S)J Murphy Beverly sold @RM New York auction for hammerprice of $ 1.6 Million
Far under its published estimate of $ 2 to 2.5 million.
www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1063792
It is said that the car is equiped with an original supercharger, not a repro.
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These cars were originally ment to be actually driven~~~not just used as show "Trailer Queens" or museum display pieces that get re-restored every few years in another color by another new deep pockets owner as a speculative Investment.
Keep your Duesenberg the way it is~~~"Patina" and all, end enjoy actually driving it~~~far too few owners of these great Duesenberg model "J" autos still do this today ! <!-- s;-) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s;-) -->
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My Model J was last restored in 1959, and now the many flaws have been re-classified as "patina", drawing much more positive feedback than negative. But still, when I show up with my ratty old Duesey at an event filled with minted out show cars, I leave feeling kind of like I should do something about it. But I won't.
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Mike Dube wrote: I'll weigh in again on the side of leaving nice cars alone. I saw J-108 in Ken McBrides's collection a few years ago. IMHO, restoring it was so unnecessary.
I agree with you about leaving nice cars alone. But it is hard. I see people nitpick every tiny flaw on Dueseys that were restored 15+ years ago and starting to show a little age. The standards are set very high, and some owners just can't stand the criticism if the car is not perfect. Or they feel that the car deserves better. Or they want to win a show.
My Model J was last restored in 1959, and now the many flaws have been re-classified as "patina", drawing much more positive feedback than negative. But still, when I show up with my ratty old Duesey at an event filled with minted out show cars, I leave feeling kind of like I should do something about it. But I won't.
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Bob Roller wrote: WHY did J108 bring a bigger price than J345?
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One off car, celebrity and movie history.
Agreed, plus J108 is a fresh restoration and J345 was restored over 30 years ago. Also it seems that the description of J345 played it safe on the supercharger description, leaving out the restorers claim that the supercharger cases are original Duesenberg parts. In my opinion, that hurt the value. Original superchargers add big$$, repops don't.
I finally figured out something about J108. Looking at the recent pictures of it, I thought the tires looked too small. There is so much space between the top of the tire and the underside of the rear fender. But now, after looking closer, it seems that the rear fenders are mounted higher on the body that other Murphy CC's, making the tires look smaller. Does anyone know why?
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it looks like the Duesy@mecum was not sold too. www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detai ... 813-161577
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Chris Summers wrote: J-345 was no-sale at $1.8 million high bid.
J-108 was sold at $2.365 million.
No word yet on Mecum.
Hello Chris,
thank you for the information.
I wonder a bit about the "low" :rolleyes: bit for J-345, auctions have allways their surprises
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J-108 was sold at $2.365 million.
No word yet on Mecum.
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