Duesenberg Auction watching/ predictions

The ex-Joe E. Brown/Howard Hughes car. Originally a Tourster, but basically a new body. It was reported in the auction catalog that by 1960, the entire body was gone.

Right idea, wrong restorer, A.J. Harry Andrews did the body on that one.

J-444 is not one of Ted's cars is it? That would explain the price.

I would have gladly brought either one home to The Garage.

Hello,

Duesenberg @ RM's Amelia Island auction:

J-530 (S)J Walker CC hammered at $ 4.1 million!

J-444 Derham Tourster sold at (only?) $ 750000


Matt

Hello,

here I have two prices from todays Gooding auction @Amelia Island

J-500 (orig. J-559) Rollston JN Sedan hammered @ $ 540000

J-338? Le Baron Convertible Sedan hammered @ $ 425000


Matt

J468 Murphy Beverly hammered at BJ for $1.3M, and J-288 Murphy Clearvision was no sale bid to $750k

$2.45 million hammer for Murphy Convertible Coupe J-429 / 2446.

Chris Summers wrote: Hammered sold at $1.2 million.

Thank you Chris!



Matt

Hammered sold at $1.2 million.

landmark wrote: Hello,

next weekend is auction-time in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Two nice "open" J's are offered by Gooding and RM.

www.goodingco.com/car/1933-duese ... ible-coupe

www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r163

Matt

Hello,

does someone know the auction-result for the Derham Tourster @RM auctions?

Cheers

Matt

The Tourster has been in the same family for 50 years.

Lots of nice cars available. :rolleyes:

Hello,

next weekend is auction-time in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Two nice "open" J's are offered by Gooding and RM.

www.goodingco.com/car/1933-duese ... ible-coupe

www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r163

Matt

J-495 / 2513 was bought by a Club member and will likely be seen in Auburn in the near future. It's gone to a nice home.

The Beverly is one of my favorite Model Js, open or closed.

Hello,

here is another auction result for a Duesenberg J:

1931 Model J Murphy Beverly (J-495 ?) @Dragone auction Hammerprice was at $ 1.25 Million (plus Buyer Premium) Published estrimate was $ 1.5 - 2 Millions

www.liveauctioneers.com/item/116 ... hy-beverly

Matt

Looks like '49 Plymouth tail lights.

I was just really looking at this car for the first. It is built from a 1946 1947 or 1948 Oldsmobile, Olds front fenders, hood, rear fenders and bumpers front and rear.
K Clark

I don't think the horns or the radiator is going to cool that motor much.
CORDially Mike

It does kinda have a proto-Nudiemobile look to it, doesn't it?

I'd have a lot of fun with that car! I'd put on my cowboy hat and boots, and a fringed cowboy vest, plus a pair of six shooters, and go out and rile up the town!

Interesting question. The only two comparable postwar "specials" that have survived are 2432 / J-415 and 2420 / J-409. 2420/ J-409 was rebodied period-correctly as a Rollston Convertible Torpedo Victoria and the postwar body survives although I'm unaware of its present whereabouts. 2432 / J-415 I believe is being rebodied as it was originally; I don't know of the fate of its special body.

The Kollins-LaGrande doesn't use a J chassis, just an engine, so it isn't quite in the same category.

If the body of that car was removed, I wonder what the value of the body would be.

Thanks, Matt. The car was bought by a Club member and will probably make its way to Auburn at some point. I don't think he has decided what he is going to do with the car yet. Stay tuned.

landmark wrote: Hello,

at the Houston Classic Auction, May 5th, there is a so called 1932 Duesenberg Model J LWB Custom Speedster under offer (without reserve).

In my eyes, the body-design is one of the ugliest, ever mounted on a Model J chassis :rolleyes:

www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/au ... D=70&id=44

Matt

Hello,

Worldwide Auctioneers published a salesprice about $ 297000 for that car.


Cheers

Matt

Hello,
I must agree with Matt
Hopefully the new owner will right the wrongs of the former owner and finds an appropriate body for this Duesenberg.

landmark wrote: Hello,

at the Houston Classic Auction, May 5th, there is a so called 1932 Duesenberg Model J LWB Custom Speedster under offer (without reserve).

In my eyes, the body-design is one of the ugliest, ever mounted on a Model J chassis :rolleyes:

www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/au ... D=70&id=44

Matt

Matt,

I couldn't agree more. The throne car isn't much to look at either, but at least the nose is traditional.

Hello,

at the Houston Classic Auction, May 5th, there is a so called 1932 Duesenberg Model J LWB Custom Speedster under offer (without reserve).

In my eyes, the body-design is one of the ugliest, ever mounted on a Model J chassis :rolleyes:

www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/au ... D=70&id=44

Matt

Yes, that would be with commission. I watched the auction online and the car sold for $900,000 hammer.

That was a [i:16sahhhs]fun[/i:16sahhhs] auction to watch, with quite a few cars sold at eyepopping prices.

Chris Summers wrote: The problem is that these cars risk being overshadowed by the once-in-a-lifetime sales of a lot of other great iron at about the same time - a Pierce Silver Arrow at B-J, the Moretti Packards at Gooding, and...well, everything in the Milhous collection. If you are a collector of major 1930s iron - what Bob Roller describes as "everything worth being caught dead in" - and not totally ACD faithful, there's a lot of opportunities not to be missed.

RM is pushing the Milhouses' J-208 / 2223 as the Dolores Del Rio Car. I believe it was actually owned at one time by her husband, Cedric Gibbons, the award-winning stage designer who created the Oscar statuette, and I've never seen anything identifying him as the original owner or any indication that he owned it very long.

Hello,

RM published a salesprice of $ 990000 (incl. Buyers premium?) for J 208. The estimate was about $ 900000 - $ 1200000


Matt

silverghost wrote:

Steve Derus wrote: The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.

If it car does indeed have a reserve ~~~That would be quite unusual for the B-J auction as for the last half dozen years, or so, ALL cars had to be consigned at B-J Scottsdale with NO reserve~~~or B-J would NOT accept the consignment.
With this No reserve policy B-J always wins as ALL cars sell. ~~~ While seller/consigners often loose their shirt on many of the B-J auction no reserve sales.

B-J press release announced a 99.69 percent sell-through rate for the entire week. This obviously includes every car bought back by its consigner... which, based on numbers I've heard in the past, could be as high as 40 percent.

alsancle wrote: There are some real heavy duty cars in that museum.

I have not known about that museum before. You are right looks like there are a lot of "car-jewels" to see.

The SJ La Grande DCP they display there is one of my favorit Duesenbergs.

It is not so far away from here, I think I going to visit it this year.

Matt

There are some real heavy duty cars in that museum.

Chris Summers wrote: I normally refrain from mentioning owners directly here as it has got me into trouble before. That said, the Louwman Museum (The Hague) shows the car prominently on their website, which is a fairly public admission of ownership.

Thank you Chris,

I found it on the museum page, it looks like the car is repainted.

Matt

I normally refrain from mentioning owners directly here as it has got me into trouble before. That said, the Louwman Museum (The Hague) shows the car prominently on their website, which is a fairly public admission of ownership.

Chris Summers wrote: J-355 / 2225, coming out of Europe. It was black with polished aluminum moldings when last seen at auction.

Hello Chris,

Bonhams wrote in its car-discription that the car was displayed in an european museum/collection. Do you know where/in which european country that was?

Matt

J-355 / 2225, coming out of Europe. It was black with polished aluminum moldings when last seen at auction.

landmark wrote:
Hello,

and one more, at the RM "Milhous-Collection" auction in Florida in febuary

www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r111

B.t.w. (according to the pictures) a nice looking car.


Matt

Hello,

one more Duesenberg Model J Murphy Convertible Sedan is for sale in January @Bonhams auction.

www.bonhams.com/usa/auction/19680/lot/334/


Matt

I received the BJ brochure in the mail. For the Duesenberg and a few other "high dollar" cars it does not state "no reserve" in the description, while all the other cars in the brochure have a notation "no reserve".

I agree that BJ has had a no reserve auction policy for a few years but it seems they are now making some exceptions.

Here's a link to the online description of the Duesenberg, note in the column marked "SALE TYPE" that it says "reserve".

www.barrett-jackson.com/applicat ... f22%2f2012

There's an Isotta that has a reserve also, and I think a few others.


Steve

Steve Derus wrote: The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.

If it car does indeed have a reserve ~~~That would be quite unusual for the B-J auction as for the last half dozen years, or so, ALL cars had to be consigned at B-J Scottsdale with NO reserve~~~or B-J would NOT accept the consignment.
With this No reserve policy B-J always wins as ALL cars sell. ~~~ While seller/consigners often loose their shirt on many of the B-J auction no reserve sales.

The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.

I don't think the B-J Auction will be setting any new records here selling full Classics.
Decades ago B-J started their auction business selling Full Classics & Real Antiques.
In my opinion B-J is NOT the auction with which you want to consign your full Classic .
They are now basically a musclecar & hotrod/streetrod/restomod auction for what I call the more money that brains crowd.
Classics consigned at B-J usually sell for very little money.
Classic & Antique/Brass Era buyers usually don't attend B-J in any large numbers; if at all.

Chris Summers wrote: The problem is that these cars risk being overshadowed by the once-in-a-lifetime sales of a lot of other great iron at about the same time - a Pierce Silver Arrow at B-J, the Moretti Packards at Gooding, and...well, everything in the Milhous collection. If you are a collector of major 1930s iron - what Bob Roller describes as "everything worth being caught dead in" - and not totally ACD faithful, there's a lot of opportunities not to be missed.

RM is pushing the Milhouses' J-208 / 2223 as the Dolores Del Rio Car. I believe it was actually owned at one time by her husband, Cedric Gibbons, the award-winning stage designer who created the Oscar statuette, and I've never seen anything identifying him as the original owner or any indication that he owned it very long.

Hello Chris,

I expect that there will be some more "one-in-a-lifetime-sales" coming up in the nearer future...

According to an article (Taking the hig road) by Dwight Schooling at "Automobile Quarterly" Volume 30 Number 4 (Summer 1992) the car (J-208) was, as you mentioned, owned by Cedric Gibbons, his wife Dolores del Rio owned a Muphy Town car (J-393?).

Cheers

Matt

The problem is that these cars risk being overshadowed by the once-in-a-lifetime sales of a lot of other great iron at about the same time - a Pierce Silver Arrow at B-J, the Moretti Packards at Gooding, and...well, everything in the Milhous collection. If you are a collector of major 1930s iron - what Bob Roller describes as "everything worth being caught dead in" - and not totally ACD faithful, there's a lot of opportunities not to be missed.

RM is pushing the Milhouses' J-208 / 2223 as the Dolores Del Rio Car. I believe it was actually owned at one time by her husband, Cedric Gibbons, the award-winning stage designer who created the Oscar statuette, and I've never seen anything identifying him as the original owner or any indication that he owned it very long.

Joel wrote: Time for one our favorite sports, Duesenberg watching! Looks like plenty of them will be crossing the auction blocks this January in Arizona.

How about some friendly speculating, and maybe collecting some details about the cars, and even some predictions? There is plenty to talk about.

Will the spectacular 10 million dollar sale of the Whittell Duesenberg mean a rising tide for all Duesey's? Perhaps that is why so many are being offered. Or is our devastated economy forcing owners to bail? Obviously Mr. O'Quinns collecting affected the maket, as did his passing. Is the ripple effect from Mr. O'Quinn over, or will it carry on?

Gooding is offering this disapearing top Murphy Convertible Coupe, but no details could be found other that this little picture. Any one know the car?

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Hello,

Gooding published an Estimate about $ 1.6 to 2.2 million for the Murphy CC

You never know what happens at an auction, but I think that sum is very ambitious :rolleyes:

Cheers

Landmark

For those who keep track of such things, the Milhous car is J-208 / 2228.

Steve Derus wrote: There's another J consigned to Mecum in January.

www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detai ... tryRow=670

Hello,

and one more, at the RM "Milhous-Collection" auction in Florida in febuary

www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r111

B.t.w. (according to the pictures) a nice looking car.


Matt

Willoughby Limousine J-306 / 2402, ex-J-383, long-owned in Florida and a car that most people seem to have forgotten exists. It was an award-winner in Auburn in 1972; I don't know if it's been back since.

There's another J consigned to Mecum in January.

www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detai ... tryRow=670