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28 Jul 2007 19:39 #7610 by alsancle

RandyEma wrote: Hello Micheal is correct but it is an Amesly bodie installed by Billings Randy


Randy, I was wondering who is "Amesly"? I know that when Tony Pascucci's Tourester was at Ted's for restoration, Ted removed all the wood framing and had it duplicated. Additionally, molds where made for all the castings. I have a clear memory of the Tourster body buck in the back room where they were making the bodies. I wanted to check with my dad to make sure my memory was right and he confirmed this.

Here is a link to Tony's car (his son John has it now) that the Billings bodies were patterned after: www.johnnypsclassiccars.com/Car16.html


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28 Jul 2007 02:47 #7605 by alsancle
Here is a true story. Sometime around 1985 I was walking a local car show and sitting there was one of Ted's toursters. It was one of the later ones that had been assembled from 20 different sources including many reproduced parts. It was actually a pretty good looking car. Walking with me was a guy that had worked through the 70s for Ted and had actually spent quite a bit of time on that particular car. I introduced myself to the owner and then introduced him to "the guy that put your car together". He asked me what that meant. I said, "well, he worked for Ted Billings". He still didn't know what I was talking about. I then said "This is one of the cars that Ted built, you know that right?". He didn't. He was not a happy camper as he had bought it thinking it was a correct car (and had paid accordingly). I believe it was sold a short time later.

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27 Jul 2007 02:10 #7594 by Joel
Thanks for all the great info. :D So a guy really has to know what that car is made up of to determine the value. You folks are really a valuable resouce.

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26 Jul 2007 16:51 #7593 by alsancle
A few years back Leo Gephart had one minus the blower that I believe he was looking for 350. This car eventually sold at Hershey (I think 2005) for a bit more. This car had an original chassis under it (with original front axle - very important!) and most original pieces. Christies sold one for 190k back 6 or 7 years ago - I would suspect it was one of Ted's later cars.

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26 Jul 2007 00:41 #7592 by Chris Summers
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It's J-375. It sold at auction in 2000 for $340,000; if McCall was the buyer then he made a nice profit.

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25 Jul 2007 18:01 #7591 by alsancle
This price was price was roughly market. . The first ones that Ted did used complete engine/chassis combinations but as parts sourcing became scare other make and replica parts were used. The price for any Billing's cars would reflect the amount of real Duesenberg stuff present.

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25 Jul 2007 00:27 #7587 by RandyEma
Hello Micheal is correct but it is an Amesly bodie installed by Billings Randy

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24 Jul 2007 22:12 #7586 by Joel
Thanks! :D
How accurate were the Roxas rebodies? I talked to an owner of one and he told me that they identicle to the original bodys.

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24 Jul 2007 19:15 #7579 by MICHAEL S SMITH
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Joel,
At that price it would almost certainly have to be one of the Roxas rebodies, but Randy Ema will probably weigh in with the correct info when he gets a chance.

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24 Jul 2007 19:09 #7578 by Joel
Thanks for the info and the pic Greg. Does anyone know the #s on the car?
It is my understanding that there were several Derham Tourister replica bodies produced back in the '70's. I wonder if this is one of them, hence the low price? <!-- s:?: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><!-- s:?: -->

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24 Jul 2007 16:19 #7576 by Greg Riley
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The car was at Keels and Wheels and it showed very well. I believe someone had something disparaging to say about it, but I don't remember any specifics. I believe the car was formerly of the Jerry J. Moore collection.

I spoke to Sterling just before the auction but didn't specifically ask him about the Duesenberg. He is converting his museum to an all Cadillac facility. He said that in his opinion that Cadillac is the ultimate in attainable American luxury. Pretty ironic comment from a man who made his fortune selling Toyota's and Lexus.


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23 Jul 2007 19:45 #7569 by Joel
News from the Duesenblog:

(June 2007) The Worldwide Group conducted an auction of the Sterling McCall Old Car Museum collection, including a 1934 SJ LWB Derham Tourster. No serial number info was given. At the June 23, 2007 auction the Tourster brought $407,000. That is quite a difference from another Tourster, J444, that sold earlier this month for over $1.4 Million!


www.wwgauctions.com/pdfs/McCall_ ... lts_07.pdf

Does anyone know anything about this car, or have any pics? Sounds too cheap for a supercharged Tourister.

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