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22 Jan 2007 12:00 #6273 by Greg Riley
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I'll see if I can get some pictures once the car arrives. I'm sure he'll add it to Duesenberg Row...B.T.W. calling his place a warehouse is like calling the QEII a row boat!

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22 Jan 2007 04:25 #6272 by Chris Summers
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IT'S OFFICIAL...

John O'Quinn bought the Last Duesenberg. Goodbye, Bow, New Hampshire; hello, Houston warehouse! (The museum opens in three years, or so he says.)

today.reuters.com/news/articlene ... ml&src=rss

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21 Jan 2007 19:52 #6270 by Chris Summers
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I don't know if he still owns it or not--like I said, "the last I heard" he had it. It may have changed hands two or three times since for all I know.

Your father has good taste, it's a beautiful car.

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21 Jan 2007 19:47 #6269 by Justin Kerns
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Does Tom Crook still own J-189? It seems a little strange that it is being brokered by an outfit out of Indiana when he seems to be perfectly capable of selling cars by himself. I'm actually very curious about this car as my father likes it very much and is looking for a closed J to tour.

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21 Jan 2007 16:04 #6265 by Chris Summers
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The car is J-232/2261, according to my old Blackhawk Exposition catalog. The last I heard of it (before its appearance at Barrett-Jackson) it was owned by Tom Crook and Randy Small of Washington State. Crook also had J-189, which was for sale recently online.

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21 Jan 2007 14:42 #6264 by Jonathan Richards
Replied by Jonathan Richards on topic Duesenberg Fantasy Bidding / Bauer Rollson Cabriolet SJ-397/
CORRECTION :
When viewing the Gallery Blog posted by Balinwire I note that the
final SOLD display on stage when this car sold Friday in Arizona read
$2,550,000. Perhaps the sale figure given me by an RM Auctions per-
son Friday evening @ $2.75 million included buyer/seller premiums.
In any event it was a lot of money and it looks like Mike Dube of OH
was only $50K short of the actual closing bid. Great Fantasy Bidding!!
Does anyone know the J Number of the Derham Arlington sold at
B/J Scottsdale last evening? Jonathan Richards

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21 Jan 2007 09:20 #6263 by Duesey
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Bill Hummel wrote: If it were parked in a grocery store parking lot, no one would steal it ... This whole game is like Musical Chairs. You don't want to be holding the car when the music stops....


Very true. Right now it seems like the market it too saturated with speculators, not end users. I'm sure we'll see a collapse soon.

In other news, I just watched on Speed Channel the 1930 Duesenberg J Derham sedan get auctioned off. Just before it, a Cobra went for $800K, then the the Duesenberg went up. Unlike the boring muscle cars, bidding was nearly dead. They had to pause and rally the crowd at only $325K and again at $450K. Bidding eventually picked up, and the car sold for $600,000. Not bad, but nothing to write home about (then again, the body was not the most exciting).

Just after the J sold, a 1969 Camaro ZL-1 came up and sold for $750K.

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21 Jan 2007 02:44 #6258 by Chris Summers
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Greg Riley wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to find that the new owner is a certain attorney from Houston :)


"Wouldn't be surprised?" I'd be downright shocked if he left THIS one slip through his fingers.

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21 Jan 2007 01:31 #6257 by Bill Hummel
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Duesey wrote: As for the Hemi Cuda droptop, it sold for $2.2 million before commissions, so overall it was $2.44 million. Kind of sick that a boring muscle car that only differentiates itself from any other Hemi Cuda Convertible by the numbers stamped on the body plate.


If it were parked in a grocery store parking lot, no one would steal it ... This whole game is like Musical Chairs. You don't want to be holding the car when the music stops....

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20 Jan 2007 23:56 #6255 by Greg Riley
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I wouldn't be surprised to find that the new owner is a certain attorney from Houston :)

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20 Jan 2007 21:07 #6252 by balinwire
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To look at the condition of this tire rubber is remarkable, even if never used, what kind of tire compound are they using, I have 6month old tires that look fer worse than these 65 year old ones. click link below to see auction photos-
www.autoblog.com/gallery/1937-ba ... rg/140004/

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20 Jan 2007 20:43 #6250 by ilikescars
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When the "Baby Boom" generation moves on, the Hemi Cudas of the world will drop like lead balloons. The old classics, however, will continue to appreciate onward.

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20 Jan 2007 20:33 #6249 by Duesey
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I guess if you wanted to drive it you could aways get a spare set of wheels and tires. If you afford the $2.7 million price of entry, the cost of wheels and tires isn't so bad.

As for the Hemi Cuda droptop, it sold for $2.2 million before commissions, so overall it was $2.44 million. Kind of sick that a boring muscle car that only differentiates itself from any other Hemi Cuda Convertible by the numbers stamped on the body plate brings almost as much money as the last Duesenberg but that is what the market has decided, I guess.

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20 Jan 2007 18:53 #6248 by Chris Summers
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Maybe the next time the car comes up for sale (if it does) I'll be able to afford it! (Not likely, but a guy can dream.)

Cars I'd like to see at the Museum: this car, the Twenty Grand, J-508 (the all-original Weymann Fishtail Speedster that used to be in Harrah's), the Father Divine Throne Car, Gary Cooper's Tourster, Clark Gable's Bohman & Schwartz JN, and both SSJs.

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20 Jan 2007 18:09 #6247 by Mike Dube
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Chris wrote: What do I think would be the best home for this car? The ACD Museum, of course!

I agree, are you going to be the benefactor?

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20 Jan 2007 16:49 #6246 by Chris Summers
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Maybe I'm just trying to justify my $4 million guess here, but....

...perhaps the "bargain price" was because there really isn't much you can do with J-397. The tires are original from 1940, so you're taking your life in your hands every time you take it out on the road, that is if the insurance company would let you. And it's been at every major show known to man, including Pebble Beach at least once or twice.

So for $2.75 million you get a great car that's been shown everywhere and can't be driven. Which means what you CAN do with it is put it in your garage and stare, drooling, into its chromed eyes. Which isn't a bad thing, either!

P.S. What do I think would be the best home for this car? The ACD Museum, of course!

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20 Jan 2007 02:42 #6244 by balinwire
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There's going to be a Hemi-Cuda that is supposed to fetch many millions at auction this weekend, wheres the justice?

Would you like to bid on an old picture? Maybe if more well known artist had owned SJ397 it would have fared better.

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20 Jan 2007 01:42 #6243 by Chris Summers
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The hearty digital handshake goes to Mike Dube. :D Congrats! :D

Thanks to Mr. Richards for his usual punctuality.

Just for comparison's sake: Lee and Joan Herrington, who consigned the car to RM, paid $1,267,500 for it at Christie's in 1998.

It breaks the Duesy road car record set by J-168 at Gooding & Company's Otis Chandler auction last October at $2.64 million. (Overall Duesy record is still $4 million set by Mormon Meteor, to the best of my knowledge.)

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20 Jan 2007 01:29 #6242 by Jonathan Richards
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To Whom It May Concern (and be of interest):
I have this evening spoken with a representative of R. M. Auctions by
cell phone out of their AZ sale location and am advised that the above
captioned Duesenberg, originally ordered and owned by famed artist
Rudolf Bauer, has been sold at auction today for $2.75 million dollars.
A bargain at twice that amount, in my judgement. Jonathan Richards

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19 Jan 2007 23:48 #6240 by Mike Dube
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This car has been to Auburn a time or two. Unless the new owner has done something to it (a sin), it is an original car, right down to the luggage and the drip rails under the hood. Mr. Bauer's tastes were unique, the interior is a rather bright shade of purple. I also understand that Mr. Bauer tailored the dimensions to his small frame, so that normal to large people do not really fit it too well. A strange concept on something as large as a J, I know.

While I certainly can't fault the car's styling, if I had my druthers, I prefer the Alan Leamy nose.

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19 Jan 2007 16:32 #6238 by Chris Summers
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1930 Jordan wrote: I thought it was white or cream at one time.


The car is represented as having its original paint (and original everything else, for that matter).

The RM catalog leaves out one interesting tidbit: "Presidents on Wheels," by Herbert Ridgeway Collins, mentions that Harry S Truman rode in a 1940 Duesenberg owned by Pettit of Natural Bridge, VA at a Democratic mock convention kick-off parade in the 1950s. He inspected it closely and was very impressed!

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19 Jan 2007 07:38 #6235 by Duesey
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I have never seen the Bauer car, but I have heard mixed things about its 'original condition' from very nice to in need of recommissioning. That in mind, I am going to guess the car will sell for $2.1 million. I guess we'll find out later today.

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19 Jan 2007 06:53 #6234 by 1930 Jordan
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Was this car always in black. I thought it was white or cream at one time. I just love it in black!!!!! I like this one the front has a unique look. Kind of a allusion in making it look longer than it really is. I love the art deco appealing lines of the car. Probably would never fit in my garage, BUT I WOULD SURE TRY TO MAKE IT FIT!!!

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19 Jan 2007 04:10 #6232 by balinwire
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This is one of the most overlooked cars because of the horizontal grill work. In the late thirties Olds and Gm used this style and it was always considered by collectors not as pretty as the 36-40 Fords. Times have changed and these models are being gobbled up. I think this body an acquired taste and once you like it, it will be your favorite, as the early GM cars are to me, now there is no comparison on size or quality but it was very modern in its time. Now for price, how much is a clutch bearing for it? In parts alone? And what provenance being the last! Heck, I could not pay the interest on that loan let alone buy the piece. But for someone else another trophy for the stable. Money, well the ball Mark McGuire hit for his 70th home run in 1998 sold for $3 million. A single military missile is a million, I think I will get the digital handshake when it tops the original 4>Mil. Puts it out of my league for now.
www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r128
To see Bauers work click this link below,
www.weinstein.com/bauer/rudolf-bauer.html
Interesting connection with another owner-
1943 Through Rebay, Frank Lloyd Wright is commissioned to design a museum as a permanent home for the Guggenheim collection. This decision infuriates Bauer who had been led to believe the architect would be a German, perhaps a former Bauhaus instructor, several of whom are living in the United States.
www.weinstein.com/bauer/cv_bauer.html
www.weinstein.com/bauer/about_bauer.html

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19 Jan 2007 01:21 #6228 by Randy_G
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I thought we should at least see what we are bidding on, there are more pictures of this car on the RM Auctions website. I fantasy bid 1.75 Million.

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19 Jan 2007 00:51 #6227 by ilikescars
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I wonder if they'll take my sedan in trade...

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19 Jan 2007 00:11 #6226 by Bill Hummel
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I'll go $1.45 Million.

Of course, the auctions down in Arizona are in a whole nuther league ...

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18 Jan 2007 23:33 #6225 by Mike Dube
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For the fun of it, I'll join in.

The Mormon Meteor is really in a class all its own. It is true that the Bauer car is very signifcant, but most Duesenberg afficionados I know prefer the traditional nose. My guesstimate is 2.5mil.

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18 Jan 2007 16:20 #6223 by Chris Summers
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1930 Jordan wrote: It is kind of messed up with the pricing right now. I think.


Can't disagree with you there.

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18 Jan 2007 08:03 #6219 by 1930 Jordan
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I will have to say $3.4 mill. That auction seams to me kind of messed up. a every day mustang or Corvette brings more money than the Classic cars just is not right. and most of the classics hold there money. unlike the others. Don't get me wrong I like all the cars. It is kind of messed up with the pricing right now. I think.

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17 Jan 2007 23:58 #6214 by Chris Summers
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If Speed can do it at Barrett-Jackson, we can do it on here--the difference being that if you guess the right price on here, all you'll get is a hearty digital handshake.

Anybody want to venture a guess on what the "Last Duesenberg" will sell for at RM's Arizona sale? My bet is $4 million, the same as the "Mormon Meteor." Equally good looks, equally good story, supercharged, similar condition.

This is an uneducated guess, of course.

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