Modern Outer CV Joint Replacement

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17 Jan 2020 23:32 #39305 by tom clarke
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I would like to upgrade my '36 Westchester to more modern CV Joints. I have made several search efforts for this topic, but nothing seems to come up. I suspect the Richardson conversion is no longer available, but perhaps one of you could confirm that. And since this was a real weak point with the Cord 810/812, perhaps someone has found other modern CV joints that can be adapted to my car. Any info would be appreciated.

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18 Jan 2020 22:44 #39316 by JIM.OBRIEN
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Tom, I have heard that Bill Richardson is no longer producing the modern joint but I can't say for certain.

Why do you say the old joints are a problem? Yes they may leak a little - a lot if not maintained, but other then that they work fine. I put over 60,000 miles on a used set that was in my sedan when I restored it and never had a problem. I did pull them apart once to replace the seals. But other then that they worked fine.
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21 Jan 2020 19:02 #39353 by tom clarke
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Thanks for your response, Jim. Let me give you a bit of context to my inquiry. My Father bought 2 Cords, an 810 and an 812, both Westchester sedans, in 1957. I was 16 years old. Neither car was running so he and I took the two cars apart to make one, choosing the 810 body because it had the best interior. We took the engine from the 812, but it turned out that it had originally come from the 810 and had been transplanted into the 812 by a prior owner.
The car passed to me before my Father died in 1986 and I have consistently run the car over the years but only in town, because of the "understanding" that the drivetrain was very fragile. The transmission failed some 20 years ago, because of the "thrust washer" issue, but I had the modifications made, per the transmission book, and it works well to this day. About that same time the Richardson modification came out but I was not well enough off, at that time, to spring for it. Now I'm 78, retired, and while I still enjoy the car, I would like to make it a reliable vehicle on the highway, so the outer CV issue is front and center.
I have recently read Josh Malks 1995 book, "Cord 810/812, The Timeless Classic". I understand that Josh put the Richardson conversion in his last Cord, Moonshadow, and made a reliable traveling machine by doing so. In 1957 we had a set of Rzeppa outer CV's, and another set of Bendix outer CV's. Somehow we knew that Rzeppa's had been replaced during production with the Bendix units (confirmed in Josh Malks book), so we installed the Bendix units in our 810 as we finished it.
You mention the old joints may leak a little??? Well mine leak a lot, as clearly one of the advantages of the Toronado CV's was modern sealing. In addition my Bendix CV's "knock". In Josh Malks book this is referred to several times, p.77, p.137 & p.142. That latter page also acknowledges that "modern joints use far stronger steel, which can handle much more groove offset" . . . allowing cage wear to be negligible, "and so is the noise". And they are so much better "sealed" so I wouldn't have to clean grease off my whitewalls every time I add grease to my Bendix units.
So, if I'm going to take my outer CV's out of my car to re-seal them, why not spend the same labor and money to replace them with more modern units that make the reliability of the car soar.
I can't be the first to contemplate this, so I'm appealing to the membership of the ACD Club for information who may have done this already, to provide me with their research.

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24 Jan 2020 20:18 #39384 by Terry Cockerell
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Tom, I have been in contact with Bill Richardson. He no longer has complete drive axle sets but does have the following.
He can be contacted via ................ This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..
Bill says,
"I have 2 sets of the R-505 assemblies with HD wheel hub with tapered wheel bearings.
The hubs have 10 tooth splines and fit original Cord axles, outer joints must be in good condition but the tapered wheel bearing assembly alone stabilizes the drive.
Wheel hubs come with new spanner nut and bearings installed for assembly. Hubs have longer wheel studs for Wohlwend wheels."
Unfortunately he can't help with the outer joints.

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28 Jan 2020 17:51 #39425 by tom clarke
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Thank you for the info, Terry. I will contact Bill Richardson.

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