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Answer: Yes, I would say they are from the same source. There is a very slight difference in the line spacing, but the jute backing, total thickness and the weave of burlap seem to be nearly identical in both samples.
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The second material was used on the late 1937 cars and was probably necessary because they ran out of the first batch and had to do a small batch print. This material would have been on the late 812's.
The pic's of the samples are small and are not relative to a scale to allow counting lines per inch although it is not obvious that there is a variation in number of lines per inch.
810 2489F is relatively close to the end of 810 production, but was before any true 812 production, falling into the middle of what Rick described as 36/37 production. 812 310112 is relatively close to the end of 812 production, and could be considered a late 37 in Rick's terminology. They both have the same line spacing.
Question: In person, up close, do the materials appear to be from the same source, as well as having the same no. of lines per inch?
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From my understanding the Factory was focused on producing sedans during the early stage of production consequently a cabriolet with a low Serial Number would have been a real anomaly.
Both of your cars are "later " in the production run and both have the fine line trunk lining pattern which is consistent with what we know.
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If the number is correct then you have an extremely rare Cord.
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I've noticed that the restoration manual topic has laid fallow formany years . Would it make any sense to gather what has been gathered here (yes, poor use of sentence structure) and with some judicious editing and post it in the restoration manual category?
I enjoy searching through post to find an answer but often I'm in a hurry and have cull through a lot of stuff to find what I need to know. Whadya think?
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judges have a tough job. revealing flaws on the show field sometimes can become a bit dangerous but, it would be nice for owners to know what they need to correct too. perhaps, a form sent after show day.
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if a given car clubs goal is to preserve & improve the remaining vehicles out there....we should provide as much help as is feasible to forward that goal. not all of us are interested in making a show car. however, i think most would like to raise the authenticity of the car they have. anything the club car do along those lines will have long term benefits to the body of remaining vehicles ...which will probably out live us.
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Best to contact her and maybe it can be posted here.
I have to give a shout out to Mark Tomei and Allan McCrary (and many others) for all their hard work on the new restoration standards for all three Marques.
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Have other areas in Cords been covered with similar restoration guidelines?
If yes, how can they be accessed by the members?
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I continue to learn about these great cars.
Thank you all for your interest and contributions of knowledge and pictures!
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I also have a couple of original jack straps with the stock rusty washers. Judging from the fact that my latch has the same configuration that yours does, neither is bent. That was the configuration that was used, and it works fine after almost 80 years. P.S. My son had me convinced mine was bent also, until I saw the pic of yours.
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Rick went thru about 3 different suppliers over the course of time that he supplied the trunk kits. The face sheet with the lines changed with was available and economical. The jute backing to which the face sheet was adhered became basically illegal (Uncle Sam thought someone might smoke it},
Rick always tried to simulate the original material with affordable available materials.
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I believe the striped material with the fine lines in Tim Gilmartin's picture is the outside of the fuel tank filler pipe sleeve.
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Tim Gilmartin wrote: Picture of gas fill tube covering; note rust from wires that held it on the tube. Jack hold down straps with flat washers still stuck to the webbing.
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Tim Gilmartin wrote: Picture of backing material for the burlap; note faint outline of the “x” cross member of the back seat. Burlap with finer lines. Non burlap lined material was on the trunk side of the gas fill tube cloth wrap. The gas fill tube side is a tan/olive drab color.
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Tim Gilmartin wrote: Here are some pics of my trunk material as found on my Westchester in 1992. I have no reason to believe that this is not original material.
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Jonathan Richards wrote: Mr. Richards, 1937 Cord S#32410S , which you previously owned , is a Beverly sedan and NOT a Phaeton. Foolish old man. You should know better , and used to. The other Mr. Richards with clearer brain.
Dear Mr. Richards, it is the best sign of a good charakter if you can make a joke about your own mistakes! you are a great man!
to John Mereness, wich details do you want? I´ll do my very best to help
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In the background is the original piece from behind the rear seat, it has thick black lines.
To the RHS is the sample supplied by Rick Hulett which has thin black lines with a finer pattern.
At the lower LHS is the material I made up. It is based on the original sample but I made the lines too thin. I was not looking at the bigger picture at the time. With care I can salvage the job by redrawing the lines thicker.
So we have two distinct line patterns, one with thick lines in early production cars and one with fine lines in later production cars.
I believe the background colour was all the same. The sample of the original material in the picture has faded a lot.
My Cord has Serial No 1586 A, I have no idea when the line pattern changed.
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