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22 May 2021 01:45 #43229 by wynlaidig

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A couple of photos with a tape measure on top would help a lot. Or if you have a paper pattern you can send me, I will gladly copy it and send yours back. I think it ~1/2" plywood. Are you saying the leading edge has the top sanded down, so that the carpet begins to drop a bit before it turns 90 degrees to be fastened to the floor?

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22 May 2021 01:11 #43228 by john mccall

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I have a pattern that bought from Rick Hulett and I have made up a few trunk boards for a large window phaeton . Without a pattern you will need a french curve and a lot of measurements. The board is of somewhat odd thickness and is tapered at the trailing edge. I would have to look up the details.
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18 May 2021 13:37 #43195 by wynlaidig

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Does anyone have the correct measurements of the phaeton trunk shelf, with the larger oval window cutout?

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15 May 2021 08:01 #43162 by Terry Cockerell

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Bill the 810s had the over riders fitted with the longer side pointed upwards. When the rear springs were recambered to raise the rear end to stop shimmy on the later production cars the over riders were turned around with the long side pointed down.

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15 May 2021 02:01 #43160 by john mccall

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The recent pics of trunk interiors show some very nice workmanship , great materials and beautiful results. However when this thread was started we were trying to define what was in the trunk, and what it looked like when the cars came from the factory. Somehow when we put these pics on the system we need to qualify what information was used to define the materials, shapes of the materials and locations of the materials in the trunk. Otherwise someone perusing the thread could quickly get the idea that what is pictured is in fact, what it would have looked like the day it came out of the factory,, when that isn't necessarily the case.

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15 May 2021 01:03 #43159 by wcoye

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My bumperetts came flipped when I bought the car. I was/am under the impression the placement was a personal preference so when I re-assembled the rear bumper I placed them upside down. I seem to remember reading or hearing this was also an attempt to limit locking bumpers.

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14 May 2021 03:48 #43149 by 1748 S

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The way Ron Irwin explained rear bumperettes was the Beverly had them pointed downwards like this above. I have not felt a need to verify this.

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14 May 2021 03:32 #43148 by Terry Cockerell

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Good work Bill. Pretty as a picture.
I noticed that your rear bumper over riders are inverted.
Your Serial No 2240 A is not listed in The Timeless Classic but it is in Cord Complete. Are the over riders the right way for that time frame?
I am not nit picking but just interested.
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13 May 2021 22:49 #43145 by wcoye

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As requested photos of my trunk interior. Loose wires are a project in progress. I can't rotate photo with carpet folded back (and Scottie dog). There were moments of frustration but all in all a very satisfying project

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10 May 2021 21:44 #43122 by Terry Cockerell

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Bill can we see some pictures please?

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10 May 2021 20:14 #43119 by wcoye

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Very nice! from someone who completely redid his trunk, with a lot of long distance help from Terry, last fall.

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10 May 2021 18:33 #43116 by johnmereness

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Here are some Beverly Photos

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Mike that sounds just too hap hazard. Compared to the rate that cars were built in 1930 and 1931 in Connersville the Cords moved a lot slower down the production line. Every workstation would have been planned with the necessary parts or material close at hand. The problem would have been vendor supplies and we know how there are usually two types of most Cord parts. I have found a number of build errors while completely dismantling my Cord for restoration. In spite of all of the problems they faced putting cars together I think they did an amazing job.

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07 May 2021 03:35 #43082 by mikespeed35

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Probably "correct' is what ever the guy on the line had on hand that day.
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06 May 2021 18:55 #43075 by wynlaidig

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That would make sense. That is what my cabriolet had in it. I just didn’t know if it was correct.

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06 May 2021 17:25 #43074 by uconn_1965

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I recall seeing a very late unrestored Cord Convertible Coupe and the pocket for the top was made from the same leatherette material that hangs down from the top lid cover behind the two front seats.

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06 May 2021 11:32 #43072 by wynlaidig

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The cabriolet had a sling for sure, and according to Mark Tomei it was made of the top material. So I guess my question applies only to the cabriolet. I had assumed that the phaeton has a similar configuration, but I guess not.

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06 May 2021 02:57 #43069 by john mccall

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Sorry, I had that last night but dropped it tonight.
There is no sling or top bag. The top drops directly into the forward trunk area . The top has the striped material on the sides and the front, with the shelf carpet on the bottom as cushion and protection. It also has the upholstered under side of the tonneau lid on top for protection. There is a space between the front of the shelf and the back of the rear seat which accommodates the top. The shelf has a cut out at the leading edge about half the size of the convt. top window , be it the small or large window (early cars had the small window, later had the larger window}. This allows more room for the window so it won't be broken. And this is part of " not being commonplace".

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06 May 2021 02:21 - 06 May 2021 02:21 #43068 by wynlaidig

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Can anyone tell me the correct orientation for the canvas top material used for the "sling" that supports the convertible top when it folds up and is stored under the top lid? As I understand it, the same type of canvas is used for this "sling" that is used on the convertible top -- that mossy green color on the outside with the striped bowdrill on the inside. So for the sling, is the bowdrill side on the inside or the outside of the sling??

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06 May 2021 02:16 #43067 by wynlaidig

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Thank you for your informative reply, John. I appreciate your help.

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06 May 2021 01:59 #43066 by john mccall

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Has some of this thread been inadvertently been dropped? The last post on page 21 was posted on1/2/20 while the first post on p.22 was posted on2/27/21, a year plus later.

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06 May 2021 01:32 #43065 by john mccall

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No, I can't post pics as I am not literate in that technology. However I can add words to the brief statement "and the inside of the trunk lid which was also trimmed with the interior leather." From the frantic post last night it should also be obvious that I also can't type. That was something that only people who professed to want to be secretaries was taught when I went to school. I only took math, physics and chemistry, To put the above quoted statement in context, I was defining the surfaces where the striped burlap material was found inside the phaeton trunk. Unlike a Westchester trunk lid which is all metal, the inside of the trunk lid on a phaetons has wood support all the way around the edge and 2 vertical supports about 6-8 inches in from the sides. From the factory, the wood is covered with a leatherette material which matches the seat leather in color. This material is the same as that used on door panels and other interior areas. Since that type of material is much more rare than the interior leather, the interior leather is used to cover these wood supports on phaetons in recent past and today. The statement was meant to point out this difference from the Westchester and Beverly sedans which have an all metal trunk lid which is completely covered with the striped material except for the tail light areas as seen in Terry's pics of his trunk interior.
Note: From memory of discussions with Rick, the very late open cars had a leather covered panel which covered the complete inside of the trunk lid.
Pics would have possibly shown what these words have tried to describe. A few pics would not however show all the details of how this leather is folded and tacked to the wood surfaces. I had the trunk lid off of 1186H which still has the leatherette attached to use as a guide when I did my trunk lid.

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05 May 2021 02:59 #43053 by john mccall

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I spent a long time trying to answer your question and the systemsaid it couldn't send tout because it was an obsolete system. So I'm just trying a short note to see if it will go.

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04 May 2021 13:20 #43044 by wynlaidig

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John McCall, you mentioned earlier in this thread that you installed a phaeton trunk interior kit from Rick Hewlitt. You said the trunk lid was striped burlap trimmed with the interior leather. Could you possibly post a couple photos showing how this was trimmed in the leather? Also, the canvas "bag" that holds the convertible top is made of the top material, but which side is inside? Is the lined bowdrill on the inside or on the outside (trunk side)?

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04 Apr 2021 16:31 - 04 Apr 2021 16:36 #42827 by johnmereness

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Westchester:

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Beverly:

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27 Feb 2021 22:28 #42439 by Terry Cockerell

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Hi John, thanks for adding these pictures to this topic. I looked for the topic but couldn't find it and assumed it had been deleted.
Below the towel rails is a stainless steel panel with side lights for the number plate. I have period Canadian plates that will be fitted to the car in the conventional locations. This topic has generated a huge amount of interest judging by the number of hits.

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27 Feb 2021 17:37 #42437 by johnmereness

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22 Jan 2020 23:55 #39372 by Terry Cockerell

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Wyn the widest piece in the lining would be the trunk (boot) lid.
You have that covered easily with 36" width.
Just to make things a bit more challenging Rick Hulett told me there was a correct orientation for the lines in each panel.
This is adequately covered by the pictures supplied by Michael in Germany of his original Westchester trunk ( boot ) lining.
Bill ...................... you are among great friends, even if we don't all have CANON copiers.

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22 Jan 2020 21:56 #39370 by wcoye

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I need to make better friends ;^)
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22 Jan 2020 19:47 #39368 by wynlaidig

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I called in a favor from a friend who has one at his work,

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22 Jan 2020 19:36 #39367 by wcoye

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Was this large format printing done at a sign co. like Fast Sign or do you have access to the printer at your work? I'm getting ready to Draw a lot of lines but being a lazy sort would love an alternative.
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22 Jan 2020 02:24 #39365 by john mccall

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Wyn,

Congratulations,
That's one of the tricks that was needed to match the original trunk material.
Just need the jute backing, Taupe carpet, and some matching binding.

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22 Jan 2020 01:54 #39364 by john mccall

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His exact words "Trunk carpet was always that taupe/brown color with matching cloth binding. Exceptions were observed on an original Berline where the trunk carpets was same as the interior carpet. Cabriolets always had the trunk area same as the interior carpet."

After rereading those words, I take it as he observed one Berline with the exception to the rule. That wouldn't rule out more than one, and could also be construed to have an exception on a Custom Beverly, to my way of thinking.

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21 Jan 2020 21:19 #39361 by wynlaidig

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I did this on a Canon Pro-4000S which will print up to 44" wide. I bought a length of 36" wide burlap (17 oz "sagless") and ran it through. There are some spots where the printing was not perfect probably due to irregularities in the burlap, but most of it turned out very nice.

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21 Jan 2020 21:08 #39360 by Terry Cockerell

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Congratulations Wyn, it sure beats drawing them by hand.
What is the width of the printing machine ??????????????
This is an important contribution.

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21 Jan 2020 19:55 #39356 by wynlaidig

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Did Rick Hulett say anything about exceptions for Custom Beverlys or was it only for Custom Berlines and Cabriolets?

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21 Jan 2020 19:53 #39355 by wynlaidig

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I have been trying for a couple months to make the lined burlap trying various methods. I finally had success using a large format printer and printing the lines on burlap. I ended up using 9 cycles per inch, with about a "duty cycle" of about 40% for the black.

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19 Jan 2020 03:09 #39318 by john mccall

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Jim,
In my email correspondence with Rick Hulett on Feb. 10, 2019 he indicated that the general rule was that the trunk carpet color was always a taupe/brown( to my eyes beige) color. The exception to that rule was on the Cabriolet's where the trunk carpet was always the same as the interior carpet. Other exceptions were on the Custom Berline where the interior and trunk carpet were the same color. He confirmed those statements in a Feb. 11 email.

Those emails are in the batch of info that I forwarded to you last year.

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14 Jan 2020 02:14 #39283 by JIM.OBRIEN

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I have no Idea when the change may have taken place. The original cars that I have worked on were all 810's and the trunk carpet were all the same color as the interior carpet. I don't recall seeing any documentation of a change in the rug material in the trunks of these cars.

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13 Jan 2020 21:55 #39281 by 1748 S

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So.... What trunk material was original in my Beverly sedan with a serial number of 1748 S. I recall someone telling me my build date was the end of January or the start of February 1937.

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13 Jan 2020 17:27 #39280 by wcoye

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Jim, Approximately how early are we talking about with this carpet detail?

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13 Jan 2020 15:18 #39275 by 1748 S

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wynlaidig wrote: When did the color of the trunk carpet change from being the same color as interior carpet? Was it always black at that point, or was it still sometimes interior color?

Good question.Am watching this post to learn what early means. Thanks for a great timely question.

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When did the color of the trunk carpet change from being the same color as interior carpet? Was it always black at that point, or was it still sometimes interior color?

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13 Jan 2020 00:26 #39268 by JIM.OBRIEN

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On the previous page the drawing noted the piece at the edge of the trunk to be burlap/jute. On the early cars at least this was rug material. Also on the early cars the rugs in the trunk were the same color as the interior rugs.

John - the trim pieces around the trunk opening were painted body color. They were in place when the body was painted, in fact if you pulled back the rugs or just you found overspray.

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I have a wide format printer (24 inches wide IIRC) at work. I wonder if that could be used to print the lines. What type of marker pen did you use?

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Terry, just reinforcing that you are 100% on the mark !

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John, I listed the Restoration Specialties Part Numbers for the BURCO fasteners on sheet No 6 of this Forum.

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Sidenote: I recently bought the original Burco style fasteners (for my Auburn trunk) for the pocket and trunk from www.restorationspecialties.com - very nice plating on the parts too. See their catalog page 177 - and had note inside too that they could source other Burco fasteners now in plated too.

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05 Jan 2020 17:44 #39178 by johnmereness

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Terry, it looks like your car is upholstered like this one:

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