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where to find double white wall tires
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All else being equal, I think a car with correct parts should be judged better than a car with incorrect parts. That's only fair. Some people don't drive their cars. The safety of original tires is not a concern. Some people will search the world for years to find the correct/original parts. That should be rewarded. If a participant chooses to drive his car, and add safer or more readily available parts, I think that's wonderful. But that enjoyment comes with a price. Sometimes you need to choose which game you want to excel at. Win shows, win races, enjoy driving, etc. It's hard to do it all with one car. Best regards, Joel
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gee. i don't think we should be encouraging guys to run on old tires just so they don't lose points in judging. this tire issue is a little different than an engine, carburetor, or transmission part. we could lose some cars and some people here if we don't balance the safety aspects with the judging.
i have an email out to coker to see what they have too say about the matter. will let you guys know what they say......but i don't think they have the 6.50-16's in either bias ply or radial.
joel. i am assuming this is your personal opinion here right? does anyone know what the official club judging position is here? would be nice for members to know the official position before they shell out $1200 US for these tires.....lol.
i am sure this issue must have arisen on judging before? but of course....who would really know....since we can't get copies of the judging sheets right (unlike in the CCCA judging where we can).
when we are training the judges what too look for.....what do we tell them regarding tires and points? anyone have any idea?
if the correct tires are not currently made on the planet as opposed to being "100% extinct from the planet"......as seems to be the case right now. then i think its pretty harsh to dock points for the double white wall radials. and i don't think encouraging members to save their old "bias ply double whites" just for judging purposes is the right thing to do.....my two cents.
i side with 1748S and redbrick here......the cars are meant to be driven. so the radial tires should be acceptable. even more so if that is all that we can get right now......
but as always...i look forward to other members views and a fair resolution of the matter within the club.
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Also DiamondBack is still in development of their "Auburn" radial which is a bias ply look radial and they may be able to make you a double whitewall when available.
And, at a few points in time doubles were available via special runs in bias plys (you may have to guarantee a minimum order).
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Hi Brent,
I didn’t look at any radial tires because they would be docked in judging for sure... they would drive the best however.
Yours originally are bias ply.
so we are still back to square one here.......
what is the clubs judging position on using these double white wall radials from diamondback?
if we cannot get the bias ply tires any more.....is the judging making an exception for these diamond back radials in their scoring, or are they docking points for them.....and if they are docking points....is it one or four?
i would really appreciate some imput here before spending a $1200 on these diamondback tires.
thanks so much guys.
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thanks for the tip on diamond back. so i contacted them and here is what rusty from diamondback had to say:
Hey Brent,
We do have a Radial Equivalent to the 650-16 (225/75/16) in a dual white available. Price is 269$/tire + Freight, and I can get them to you in about 2 weeks or so. Give me a call!
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Also, do you intend to tour with your car or just drive it onto and off a car carrier? If you intend to tour with it, you might consider the heavy duty aluminum wheels that Don Wohlwend used to make. The wheels are still available, but Don recently sold his wheel design and company to a man in Canada whose name and contact information I can look up for you.
The advantages of the aluminum wheels are:
1. They weigh substantially less than the original steel wheels (almost 50% less);
2. The lighter weight reduces the car's unsprung weight, which improves its handling;
3. They are heavier duty than the original wheels; and
4. They have a bead built into them that lets you use a tubeless radial tire (tubeless are safer and less trouble-prone than tubed radials).
Finally, I know that many of those to whom Don sold his wheels use the Diamond Back Classic Radials.
I hope this helps.
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"They think Coker has some dual whites, but they are only available in the size 600-16
Tread Width: 4.63
Section Width: 6.26
Overall Diameter: 28.56
Rim Width: 4.00 - 4.50
The Cords originally used 650-16.
The size difference is
Tread Width: 5.10
Section Width: 7.00
Overall Diameter: 29.10
Rim Width: 4.50 - 5.00
The 600’s would work, but look a bit small and would be docked in judging, because of the small size" (RM's words)
So having heard this from RM, i was wondering.....how does this work for judging? Is RM right that if we use the double white coker tires with the slightly smaller size that we would be docked points in judging because our tires are the wrong size? Or alternatively if we use the correct size but only single whites will we also be docked?
Since the correct size double whites don't seem to be available, is the club making exceptions for this in the judging because the right tires are no longer available?
Another question is given the number of cords we have in the club, and the movement by the club in the past few years to try and have "correctness" in the restoration and judging of the cars, would it not be in the interest of the club and its members to get together and see if we can find someone to make these correct tires for us? Surely there are enough of us and our cars that some tire mfg could see its way to producing the correct tires for us?
just wondering how the rest of you guys feel about the issue. and perhaps what the judging teams and head judge have to say about this issue.
does anyone think it would be feasible to find someone to build us the correct tires...or i am just dreaming with that thought?
alternatively, perhaps the club could place an order for a large number of tires, and then sell the tires to members at a small profit? sort of like the rolls royce and bentley clubs do with their "spares" projects.......
as mentioned above....if those older double whites went for so much money, you would think one of the tire mfg's or the club could make economic sense of getting the tires we need made?
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