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29 Jun 2019 11:47 #37619 by RubyDS
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After checking it's not two thermostat 185° but some 153° model

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19 Jun 2019 21:35 - 19 Jun 2019 21:38 #37545 by johnmereness
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Terry Cockerell wrote: When my Cord arrived in Australia in 2007 it did not have thermostats fitted. The car was not driveable and needed a lot of work.
I opted to stop the coolant flow through the inlet manifold and used modern thermostats that opened at 160 deg F
I needed to drill a bleed hole in them and actually drilled two in each as the thermostat throats were smaller than the original type. This worked quite well in the car in conjunction with a shroud.
Recently I found a better design of thermostat with a much bigger throat, these are called full flow design. These were not available in the size I wanted in the past. They have a built in bleed hole and due to the larger throat diameter should work a lot better. I will find out later in the year when the car is back on the road.
The new full flow thermostat is made by Tridon in Australia Part No TT268 - 160
The cost is $41.oo Aust each.


From John Mereness: This appears solid advice, though I would have at least one hole drilled in the thermostat as that will eliminate air pockets and equally cause a slightly less dramatic "heat up" of the engine. I think we are all on the same page here, though just a double check. If you have a 185 thermostat in your car when you start the car the thermostat technically should be closed and open at 185 to more or less pre-heat the engine (great in winter to keep your feet warm), If you car though is naturally inclined to run at 165 on a cool day it will heat it to 185. And, on a hot day it will cause it to heat to 185 minimum too - but if your car is prone to running at 190 then car will run at 190 and if prone to 195 then your car will run at 195 and so on. Personally, I prefer the car to heat to 165 and then do whatever it is prone to do on its own after that without my extra help. Keep in mind too that water that moves too quickly through a radiator may not cool properly - thus thermostats are often also flow restictors to allow water to remain in radiator for a certain amount of time (ie when people remove thermostats they often encounter worse overheating that what they originally hoped to resolve).

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19 Jun 2019 20:50 #37543 by Terry Cockerell
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Rudy from my experience 185 deg F is too high. It does not leave you much of a safety margin in hot weather or slow driving in heavy traffic. The thermostats I have used begin to open at 160 deg F.

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19 Jun 2019 20:13 #37542 by RubyDS
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I have just reiceipt two new old stock thermostat 185°

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19 Jun 2019 10:30 - 19 Jun 2019 10:32 #37538 by Terry Cockerell
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When my Cord arrived in Australia in 2007 it did not have thermostats fitted. The car was not driveable and needed a lot of work.
I opted to stop the coolant flow through the inlet manifold and used modern thermostats that opened at 160 deg F
I needed to drill a bleed hole in them and actually drilled two in each as the thermostat throats were smaller than the original type. This worked quite well in the car in conjunction with a shroud.
Recently I found a better design of thermostat with a much bigger throat, these are called full flow design. These were not available in the size I wanted in the past. They have a built in bleed hole and due to the larger throat diameter should work a lot better. I will find out later in the year when the car is back on the road.
The new full flow thermostat is made by Tridon in Australia Part No TT268 - 160
The cost is $41.oo Aust each.


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19 Jun 2019 02:20 #37534 by mikespeed35
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Right Ruby, This is just for summer and it depends on the climate of the user of course.
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18 Jun 2019 16:16 #37529 by RubyDS
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Only water is not a good idea for winter ,a few years ago i have crack an engine in winter with water

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16 Jun 2019 04:04 #37476 by mikespeed35
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160 stat with water and corrosion inhibitor.
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15 Jun 2019 17:35 - 15 Jun 2019 17:38 #37466 by johnmereness
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I would adapt in a modern thermostat(s) - something 180 degrees or cooler. I would drill a hole in the thermostat (near edge of thermostat housing verse in thermostat door) to allow some water circulation when thermostat is closed - this also eliminates air pockets (something old timers told me to always do). The purpose of the cooler thermostat is to eliminate the car heating up so quickly (but to answer Curt's question the car will run at whatever it is going to - depends on how close to original bore is, quality of engine rebuild, radiator quality, timing/tuning, and ...). Thermostats also are used as flow restrictors - the water has to remain in the radiator for a certain period of time for it to cool - water moving through radiator too quickly will not cool properly (thus when you remove a thermostat you may actually have a hotter running car).

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02 Jun 2019 16:35 #37364 by Curt Schulze
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Do you think the engine will run cooler with a 160 or a 153 thermostat ?

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02 Jun 2019 16:08 #37363 by uconn_1965
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Cord will run hotter with out thermostats. Best to use low temperture thermostats even if they are not matched (example 153 degree and 160 degree.

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02 Jun 2019 13:46 #37362 by RubyDS
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My two thermostat are not similar and not opening to same temperature ,what model use for 812 engine? 153° temperature?
Or best cooling without thermostat?

Tanks

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02 May 2019 19:59 #37126 by RubyDS
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22 Apr 2019 11:56 #37041 by RubyDS
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JIM.OBRIEN wrote: Hi Ruby,

You are coming along nicely. One comment - the inner CV joint cover need to be rotated. The fill fitting on the left joint should be at the top, just forward of the center line. The cover on the right joint should be just rear of the top center.

The lines for the cross shift are copper lines, you just need the furrels.

All the fittings you are looking for are all readily available from any good supplier supplier, either locally or on line. If you need help let me know.
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Hi Jim,thanks for this response,have you an adress for the fittings to make my gearbox controls lines.

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22 Apr 2019 11:52 #37040 by RubyDS
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Terry Cockerell wrote: Hi Ruby you certainly have come a long way since starting the restoration. Your skills and determination are beyond belief ...................... well done.
I have a question for you, "What is the bolt and lock nut in the middle of the front chassis cross member for ?" "This is immediately in front of the gear box oil pump."
Thanks,
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Hello Terry,

The nut on the front chassis member is not on my car but on a cutomer 810 ,no reason to have this bolt.
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22 Apr 2019 00:13 #37039 by JIM.OBRIEN
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Hi Ruby,

You are coming along nicely. One comment - the inner CV joint cover need to be rotated. The fill fitting on the left joint should be at the top, just forward of the center line. The cover on the right joint should be just rear of the top center.

The lines for the cross shift are copper lines, you just need the furrels.

All the fittings you are looking for are all readily available from any good supplier supplier, either locally or on line. If you need help let me know.
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21 Apr 2019 22:01 #37038 by Terry Cockerell
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Hi Ruby you certainly have come a long way since starting the restoration. Your skills and determination are beyond belief ...................... well done.
I have a question for you, "What is the bolt and lock nut in the middle of the front chassis cross member for ?" "This is immediately in front of the gear box oil pump."
Thanks,
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21 Apr 2019 21:23 - 21 Apr 2019 21:25 #37037 by RubyDS
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Step by step

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19 Dec 2018 21:05 #36170 by RubyDS
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The hose plug on the front

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This one

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And also the two hose from valve block to intake manifold

If anyone have this parts or only the hose plugs i'm interested

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19 Dec 2018 21:01 #36169 by RubyDS
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But for finished my transmission system i have some missing parts

The gearbox vent system

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The epurator hose and plugs

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19 Dec 2018 20:55 - 19 Dec 2018 20:57 #36168 by RubyDS
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More work on transmisson

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10 Dec 2018 13:48 #36112 by RubyDS
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Dynamo and starter motor disassembly

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10 Dec 2018 13:47 #36111 by RubyDS
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And front transmission

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10 Dec 2018 13:46 #36110 by RubyDS
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Front axle parts ready to assemly

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26 Sep 2018 23:04 #35521 by 1748 S
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Thanks Jim. My car has the spring safety loops. They are bent but easy to copy if I need to. Here are the pics of what my front spring and suspension bolt and nut looked like after it ground down on the road.I also included pics comparing the old to the new.

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26 Sep 2018 02:03 - 26 Sep 2018 02:54 #35509 by Terry Cockerell
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Regarding the installation of the safety hoops my Cord which is an early production car had the holes drilled through the suspension arms. When the hoops were fitted the sides of the suspension arms were pulled in a bit consequently water could get into the suspension arms . During the current restoration a lot of rust was removed from inside the arms before the holes were drilled out and sleeved with suitable pipe. As well as restore the car I am doing what I can to conserve it.

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26 Sep 2018 01:50 #35508 by JIM.OBRIEN
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Curt - The hanger rods originally were just rods that were threaded on both ends.

Gary I don't understand your question. If your failure resulted in the spring end and the brake backing plate being ground down then the anger bolt didn't fail, the car lost a wheel.

Regardless you should have the safety lops installed just in case.

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25 Sep 2018 03:11 #35502 by mikespeed35
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Thank you for the suggestions on the Marmon interior Jim, it worked perfectly.
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24 Sep 2018 20:34 #35491 by 1748 S
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last try...

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24 Sep 2018 20:31 #35490 by 1748 S
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hope pics work now..

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24 Sep 2018 17:30 #35485 by 1748 S
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sadly my pics did not load so here is another try.

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24 Sep 2018 17:27 #35484 by 1748 S
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Jim I'm not sure what you are referring to in your last post. But here is the bolts that failed and the damage they did to the spring and maybe the brake backing plate.

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24 Sep 2018 11:46 #35483 by Curt Schulze
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Does Cord use high hex marked head: W. 30, N bolts like Auburn did?

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24 Sep 2018 05:52 #35481 by RubyDS
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Hi Jim and Gary,

The front spring hanger rod is just two rod in waiting the correct uppgrade 3/4 rods ;)

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24 Sep 2018 03:25 #35480 by 1748 S
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Upgrading these bolts is a good idea. My car shows the passenger side fell and the spring ground along the road nearly cutting the ends off. I will post pictures tomorrow. Also at one time my car probably lost a wheel on the passenger side too. The bottom of the brake backing plate is also ground off. Last year I purchased the heavy duty bolts and all the cups and special nuts. Glad I did this.

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23 Sep 2018 22:30 - 23 Sep 2018 22:30 #35479 by JIM.OBRIEN
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Hi Youenn,
It looks like you still have the original front spring hanger rod. You need to upgrade these to 3/4" high strength rods. The original ones were not heavy enough to carry the load and will fail. The spring hangers will catch the spring but if the bolt fails at the top, it drops down and digs into the pavement and can spin the car around.
Jim
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23 Sep 2018 21:32 #35477 by 1748 S
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You do wonderful work. Please continue to post pictures so everyone can enjoy.


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23 Sep 2018 19:29 #35474 by RubyDS
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After receipt my new throw out bearing (thanks Jim) i can assembly my engine and gearbox

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And install the new bearing of front axle and add grease nipple.

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11 Sep 2018 14:13 #35393 by RubyDS
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Jim you have a PM

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12 Aug 2018 20:48 #35211 by RubyDS
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Thanks Jim

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12 Aug 2018 20:23 #35210 by JIM.OBRIEN
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I just sent you a PM.

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12 Aug 2018 16:11 - 12 Aug 2018 16:12 #35208 by RubyDS
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Ready to install my gearbox on the engine.........problem!!!!!! the clutch throwout bearing buy whith the car is probably not the correct model,i looking for this parts if anyone have.
And for the clutch axle bearings,the correct number is NB-110?

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26 Jul 2018 12:01 #35063 by Curt Schulze
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I have rear view mirrors like the one in the pix, if you need one.

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26 Jul 2018 09:27 #35062 by Terry Cockerell
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I think the mirror is upside down in the maroon Cord. You should get a better rear view by turning it around. The attached picture is of a very original unrestored Cord.

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26 Jul 2018 03:21 #35061 by 1748 S
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wow the first reverse cluster gear is in bad shape but so is the first reverse slider gear.Are you replacing the gear bushings? Are you hard chroming the shaft the gears ride on??? Sure is plenty of work in these transmissions. I'm machining and rebuilding my trans now as you are.

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25 Jul 2018 07:20 #35058 by RubyDS
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Speedometer in kilometer

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25 Jul 2018 07:17 #35057 by RubyDS
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Marroon 810 gearbox



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25 Jul 2018 07:15 #35056 by RubyDS
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25 Jul 2018 07:11 - 25 Jul 2018 07:14 #35055 by RubyDS
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Yes Johnathan,it's two 810 weschester,i have make a lot of little work on the green one,this car is tested in a french magazine "Retroviseur" this month and i have rebuilt the gearbox of the marroon one,car sold new in France in 1936 with speedometer in kilometer.
For the Soccer it's not my thing............ ;)
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24 Jul 2018 21:47 #35054 by Jonathan Richards
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Greetings , Youenn Perrin , aka RubyDS., You are just having too much fun in your delightfully aged garage/shop in France. A visit to your shop by a Ganges Green Westchester followed by a similar visit by a Rich Maroon Model 810 which appears to be a Westchester as well. Your Custom Beverly is shown lurking in the background as she comes closer and closer to reaching your restoration goals. Keep up the excellent work and the flow of periodic messages to our ACD Club Forum. Oh, yes , congratulations on your Soccer Cup victory if that is your thing. Best Regards, Jonathan Richards #1080 at Chesterfield, Missouri , USA.
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