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26 Jan 2021 04:54 #42026 by Terry Cockerell
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Rudy it looks fabulous compared to what you started with. You have done a wonderful job with every step.
Try AC Parts in Kansas or Doug Pray in Oklahoma for the missing parts.

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25 Jan 2021 21:10 #42025 by RubyDS
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For finished the restoration of my 812 and for the 810 of my friend i'm looking for some parts

one original radiator cap
one tailight glass "cobro" and the clip around the glass
one camshaft nut for the generator pulley
one glass for the rear licence plate light
and the trunk stand (not sure of the correct name) for bustle back model.
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25 Jan 2021 21:03 - 25 Jan 2021 21:04 #42023 by RubyDS
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Hood painted




Whith another 810 in workshop
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25 Jan 2021 20:57 - 25 Jan 2021 20:58 #42021 by RubyDS
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Exhaust system finished
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08 Jul 2020 14:44 #40481 by johnmereness
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Yes, I have seen a lot of mice destroyed/damaged interiors via battery box covers being left off, windows rolled down, and also not per se in Cords, but there are various other holes in bottoms of cars for such as seat venting, wiring, sheet metal design, and ....

Packard's seem to have some sort of express highway from under the car to the headliner - mice must be taught about it as children and put on a quest to find the cars.

I recall taking out a 5 gallon garbage can of mice nests out of a Stutz (and it looked just fine with no interior damage other than car smelled bad and owners had been using it that way) - I was super careful too when cleaning it (known a few people that became sick and had weeks to months of problems from getting into mice nests in cars). The Stutz moved on - not what I want to own in a car (especially on a damp day).

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05 Jul 2020 05:32 #40467 by Terry Cockerell
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John, I suppose the simplest remedy is to keep the windows wound up when not in use. Another problem are mice, they tend to make homes in the headlining unless the battery box cover is in place. We need to take certain precautions when putting our cars away for safe keeping.
My original headlining had certainly faded but it was mostly out of the direct sunlight for 80 plus years. Recently while removing the seat coverings which were done in the mid 1970s we found the original material behind the front seat was in quite good condition. I suppose we can live with some fading and hope it will be uniform. The best part is owning one , driving it and sharing it.

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04 Jul 2020 15:51 #40466 by johnmereness
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Two things to consider with woolen broadcloth - blues (an such as reds and ....) seem to have a tendency to fade quickly (or are more noticeable as to fading), so ask what the manufacturer's thoughts regarding fading and the second is the moths like wool, so the car will always need to be moth balled and the smell is not the best. Unfortunately, there are not any suitable alternatives even in the commercial space - sort of a "dammed if I do and dammed if I don't" issue.

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04 Jul 2020 15:29 #40465 by RubyDS
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Terry Cockerell wrote: The same colour as my Cord interior.
Have a look at my posting in Restoration Tips for the broadcloth manufacturer J & S Taylor in the UK. Nigel will look after you.



Thanks Terry for the adrees in uk

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03 Jul 2020 22:49 #40464 by Terry Cockerell
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The same colour as my Cord interior.
Have a look at my posting in Restoration Tips for the broadcloth manufacturer J & S Taylor in the UK. Nigel will look after you.

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03 Jul 2020 15:35 #40463 by RubyDS
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Terry Cockerell wrote: Rudy what sort of interior are you planning on fitting, woollen broadcloth or leather?



For interior woollen broadcloth in genava blue.

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03 Jul 2020 13:16 #40462 by Curt Schulze
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I don't believe Dallas Winslow reproduced parts, particularly something that would have a die that size. He has his hands full with Graham and ACD parts.

The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
Be of Good Cheer
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03 Jul 2020 04:43 #40460 by 1748 S
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Terry, I have a complete set of these non vented hub caps. They appear to never have been installed and not chromed. They are in great shape. Been told they are the Winslow covers but does anyone really know???


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03 Jul 2020 00:01 #40457 by Terry Cockerell
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Rudy what sort of interior are you planning on fitting, woollen broadcloth or leather?

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02 Jul 2020 21:00 - 02 Jul 2020 21:02 #40456 by Terry Cockerell
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The hub caps fitted appear to have been made in the early 1950s but I am not sure by who, maybe Dallas Winslow? My Cord had a set as shown in the attached picture which was taken in Auburn in 1957 with Gordon Buehrig .
This is one of best pictures.
I believe running with these hub caps is not such a good idea . The holes in the production hub caps helped to cool the brakes.

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02 Jul 2020 07:03 - 02 Jul 2020 19:35 #40455 by RubyDS
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John,i like this hubcaps so look different but beautiful,i have a set of standard hubcaps but in poor condition.

Terry, i hope finished next year ,i still have a lot of work
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29 Jun 2020 20:30 #40446 by Terry Cockerell
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Rudy it is truly amazing what you have been able to do with this Cord. When do you expect to finish it?
My Westchester was a complete and drive-able car when I started the restoration. That was 5 1/2 years ago. I hope to have it finished in around 6 months. You are certainly a dedicated and very talented man. Well done!

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29 Jun 2020 16:55 #40445 by johnmereness
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I like your hubcaps - different than the norm, though great Art Deco look as well

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28 Jun 2020 21:46 - 28 Jun 2020 21:52 #40439 by RubyDS
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28 Jun 2020 18:05 - 28 Jun 2020 21:50 #40436 by RubyDS
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and i make the exhaust manifold





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Re assembly continue

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16 Apr 2020 17:54 #39961 by RubyDS
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16 Apr 2020 17:52 #39960 by RubyDS
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Progress on water pump in bad condition,only the housing is original,rest is all new home made

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19 Mar 2020 12:30 #39762 by JIM.OBRIEN
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MIke, This is not a problem on the Cord 810/812 since there should be two points that limit the drop of the wheel. There is a bumper on the stub frame that stops the swing arm (and crushes the rubber) and then there is the safety hangers on the springs. If I am going to be running the wheels when up on jack stands I have a set of stands under the trailing arms so they are in the normal position.
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19 Mar 2020 12:15 #39761 by uconn_1965
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Maybe I’m lucky but been doing it this way for 50 years without a problem. I’ve also been fortunate to have used no’s bendix joints.

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19 Mar 2020 04:24 #39758 by mikespeed35
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If you do this with a L-29 you will wreak havoc with the CV joints because of the sharp angle of the joints off the ground. Don't now about the 810/12.
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18 Mar 2020 13:54 #39752 by uconn_1965
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I should have added to my original comment you do all the sorting out with the stub frame up on jack stands with front wheels off the ground.
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18 Mar 2020 07:32 - 18 Mar 2020 07:38 #39749 by Terry Cockerell
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Good point Mike. Working around the front fenders on a Cord is very tedious.
Leaving them off until the drive train is sorted out is a good idea.
Some rudimentarey front fenders could be made from tin and fitted during trials.
I think the last item to be fitted should be the hood. Access to the hood bolt holes means leaving the drain pans off as well as the glove boxes and probable removing the front seat. Planning the work will save a lot of hassles.
My understanding of fitting the hood is to lift it onto the body, align it and fit the bolts from under the dash board.
The attached picture shows the provision for accessing the bolts.

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18 Mar 2020 04:52 #39746 by mikespeed35
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The down side is if you drive a car around with no front fenders be prepared to repair the stone chips you will get on the rear fenders.
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17 Mar 2020 22:08 #39742 by uconn_1965
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Great, great job and what I’m about to say is too late. I’ve always found it was best to leave front fenders, grille and hood off of car until the Cord is running, shifting and all mechanical issues are sorted out.

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23 Nov 2019 21:47 #38894 by Terry Cockerell
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Hi Rudy looking at the pictures of the steering box I noted that the spring on the steering column is above the collar. The spring should be between the steering box and the collar to keep the seal under slight pressure.
You may have already rectified this?
You have done an amazing job restoring the wreck you started with.
I take my hat off to you.

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Thanks Gary

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12 Nov 2019 02:14 #38832 by 1748 S
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Your making very good progress.Your car is looking fabulous. The attention to detail is wonderful.


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29 Jun 2019 14:58 #37621 by 1748 S
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uconn_1965 wrote: If those are 153 or 160 degree thermostats, those are the very best ones to use.

I completely agree with Cliff. After listening to others at the West Coast Meet this month about the use of the 153 degree or 160 degree thermostats its the better idea. I had planned to remove mine but that will not allow the coolant to the coolant to stay in the radiator long enough for proper heat transfer.


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29 Jun 2019 13:46 #37620 by uconn_1965
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If those are 153 or 160 degree thermostats, those are the very best ones to use.
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29 Jun 2019 11:47 #37619 by RubyDS
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After checking it's not two thermostat 185° but some 153° model

Good news :)

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19 Jun 2019 21:35 - 19 Jun 2019 21:38 #37545 by johnmereness
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Terry Cockerell wrote: When my Cord arrived in Australia in 2007 it did not have thermostats fitted. The car was not driveable and needed a lot of work.
I opted to stop the coolant flow through the inlet manifold and used modern thermostats that opened at 160 deg F
I needed to drill a bleed hole in them and actually drilled two in each as the thermostat throats were smaller than the original type. This worked quite well in the car in conjunction with a shroud.
Recently I found a better design of thermostat with a much bigger throat, these are called full flow design. These were not available in the size I wanted in the past. They have a built in bleed hole and due to the larger throat diameter should work a lot better. I will find out later in the year when the car is back on the road.
The new full flow thermostat is made by Tridon in Australia Part No TT268 - 160
The cost is $41.oo Aust each.


From John Mereness: This appears solid advice, though I would have at least one hole drilled in the thermostat as that will eliminate air pockets and equally cause a slightly less dramatic "heat up" of the engine. I think we are all on the same page here, though just a double check. If you have a 185 thermostat in your car when you start the car the thermostat technically should be closed and open at 185 to more or less pre-heat the engine (great in winter to keep your feet warm), If you car though is naturally inclined to run at 165 on a cool day it will heat it to 185. And, on a hot day it will cause it to heat to 185 minimum too - but if your car is prone to running at 190 then car will run at 190 and if prone to 195 then your car will run at 195 and so on. Personally, I prefer the car to heat to 165 and then do whatever it is prone to do on its own after that without my extra help. Keep in mind too that water that moves too quickly through a radiator may not cool properly - thus thermostats are often also flow restictors to allow water to remain in radiator for a certain amount of time (ie when people remove thermostats they often encounter worse overheating that what they originally hoped to resolve).

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19 Jun 2019 20:50 #37543 by Terry Cockerell
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Rudy from my experience 185 deg F is too high. It does not leave you much of a safety margin in hot weather or slow driving in heavy traffic. The thermostats I have used begin to open at 160 deg F.

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19 Jun 2019 20:13 #37542 by RubyDS
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I have just reiceipt two new old stock thermostat 185°

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19 Jun 2019 10:30 - 19 Jun 2019 10:32 #37538 by Terry Cockerell
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When my Cord arrived in Australia in 2007 it did not have thermostats fitted. The car was not driveable and needed a lot of work.
I opted to stop the coolant flow through the inlet manifold and used modern thermostats that opened at 160 deg F
I needed to drill a bleed hole in them and actually drilled two in each as the thermostat throats were smaller than the original type. This worked quite well in the car in conjunction with a shroud.
Recently I found a better design of thermostat with a much bigger throat, these are called full flow design. These were not available in the size I wanted in the past. They have a built in bleed hole and due to the larger throat diameter should work a lot better. I will find out later in the year when the car is back on the road.
The new full flow thermostat is made by Tridon in Australia Part No TT268 - 160
The cost is $41.oo Aust each.


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19 Jun 2019 02:20 #37534 by mikespeed35
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Right Ruby, This is just for summer and it depends on the climate of the user of course.
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18 Jun 2019 16:16 #37529 by RubyDS
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Only water is not a good idea for winter ,a few years ago i have crack an engine in winter with water

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16 Jun 2019 04:04 #37476 by mikespeed35
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160 stat with water and corrosion inhibitor.
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