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spend tons on 2 cars to get them the way you want or use one as a parts car can spend considerably less and get your other car on the road.
if someone would buy the beverly from you, would that be enough to get your cord the way you want it? prolly not, correct?
it's sad to see such wonderful cars disappear, but the "unkown" fate of the buldge plays into part of this, correct? what happens if the buldge doesn't take the pressure off, is that money spent wasted trying to save it, will it cost more, or will the car be as grand as it should be?
i would almost lean towards if 1 car can help sooo many other cars, then go for it! but like everyone else said, tis a sad day to see a great classic be taken apart...
on second thougth....... i have no clue to what's best to do. but whatever you decide, i can live with it and will stand beside you.
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An open Cord car will bring a truly appropriate value. Somehow the sedans value is diminished. There have been auction sales but these values would not cover the restoration costs. These cars are really truly old now. A car from the forties is old and these go all the way back to 37!
Other more modern 70?s cars bring as much at auction if not more. Wasn?t the Cord supposed to sell for five times a productions automobiles cost?
It?s incredible how many 36-7 Cord?s have survived intact, almost to the detriment of the rare sedan body value. A vehicle is now worth quite less the value of the restoration. Value is all in the rarity and for being as rare as they are they seem quite undervalued.
Now the ?cars jewelry?, gauges, taillights, gears and parts are worth more than the whole car?s market value and are broken up.
One great thing about pre-war hand built cars are really nothing more than 25,000 different parts and if one is bent or broken, replace or mend the part.
If we speculate and say the sedans increase in value at the slow rate as they have lets say, from 1970. What will the replacement value be in 3 more decades? Hopefully values would be as much as today?s restoration investments.
If the values double every ten years would that be out of line? Body shop and supply shops can?t do the restores any cheaper than they do today with ever increasing labor, parts costs, rent, electricity, etc.
When I look at the Natmus restoration of the # 10 GM Futurliner, I have to believe anything is possible. Of course these men were all volunteers and had donations and a small budget.
www.futurliner.org/index.html
We all know the wonderful ACD history and the lives of the people involved. If indeed there was a theatrical discovery as in the Tucker story and with that notoriety would not then there be reason to bring these terminal vehicles back to their former glory.
It would be nice if we could all get together with Bill and have a good old fashioned barn raising and help him fix this car!
There was some good advice I got here at the ACD website,
Increase your insurance, again!
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All kidding aside, I will do I what I can to keep as many ACD cars on the road as possible.
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Well, after reading all the response's I believe that helping others with parts from your LWB Cord will help the the club get more cars on the road that are being restored. You can singled handily help yourself with your car and be philanthropic with other members needs. Tom D is one of a few brave men in our club that could take on such a monumental task.
I for one would could use a few parts for my car. Good luck with your endeavor.
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curtis bartell wrote: You would be surprised what you can learn to do when you are a tightwad like me. No Offense Please, Curt
No offense taken Curt! I like seeing all of these replies and I am glad this topic is generating so much interest!
I am much better at creating websites than straightening metal. Therefore, all of the body work will be handled by a professional restoration shop. That's where the high $$$ come from. I am only qualified to do the most minor of repairs.
What I will do is step back and take a deep breath. I am not a Cord Killer. But, I am not opposed to harvesting organs from a donor car when numerous restoration shops and the former owner tell me NOT to try to save the car.
This whole topic is like a Red State / Blue State argument. There's arguments to be made for both sides. My side is the correct side however.
Here's what I am going to do ...
I am going to put the top down on my Cabriolet tomorrow and enjoy the nice Spring weather down here. My wife and I are going to a CCCA Chili Cookoff about 40 miles from my house. It will be a nice day for a drive. Plenty of time to think about my game plan.
By the way, here is one reason why the Pros say this will be a difficult but not impossible restoration: Look at the very slight bulge over the driver's door. There was a diagonal shift of the entire egg-shaped body shell when the car was struck in the right-rear. It's possible everything may snap back somewhat when the pressure is released, but that is the great unknown.
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"I've cut it twice and it's still too short."
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The natives are getting restless. As suspected, the Club members are 50-50 on the Beverly preservation project. Then again, they were eventually 50-50 on the Cabriolet restoration project.
What to do? One less Custom on the road makes all the rest more valuable and will provide much needed parts for other Cords. On the other hand, it is so sad to part out any Cord. Damn ... If only this thing had been a Packard ...
Nothing is set in stone. The Custom Beverly is now tucked away securely. Everything sounds good on paper. I now have alll the parts to rebuild my Cabriolet. That's why I am weighing all of my options. If I had unlimited funds I would just fix them both and keep them. It's so much easier to buy then sell.
Either way, it's going to cost a lot. No one I have talked to has come anywhere near the 30K Pat has mentioned. So, I will talk with him further in Texas next month. Tom D. has done so many of these things I have to take him seriously too.
Everyone has their favorite bodystyle. Mine happens to be the Cabriolet. I don't even particularly care if it is supercharged. The thought keeps going on in the back of my mind, if I pump in 80-100K what do I want to be driving?
Diary, between you and me, if someone was serious about saving the Beverly, they would make me a cash offer and take the decision away from me....
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You are welcome to stop by and check it out while you are in Texas. Send me the name of the fellow who did your repairs.
I would rather not dismantle the Custom Beverly. For 30K I might not. Depends how it is going to be restored. I will talk to you about it when you get here.
Maybe I will dismantle a S/C Phaeton ....
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Readers may think that the body of the car has just a "ding". Perhaps a photo or two of the roof damage might help them see why the poor Custom Beverly has to disappear into the cabriolet.
Here are all the photos:
www.cordhaven.com/1937CustomBeverly
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Is the ID serial # tag intact on the firewall of the Cabriolet body? When will you begin the disassemble? It will be wonderful to see it finished as it is a huge project to undertake.
The donor car is so nice though. The front looks banged up but it seems like a fiberglass hood and fenders, scoop+ front bumper would clean that up. I saw a munch in the rear panel of the roof that seems like if it did not bend the body to much could have been reached from inside the interior with a porta-power.
If the bids are 65-95k for the Bev, what are the expected costs for the Cab? Could you save the Olds front frame and Id's and transplant the components into the Beverly once the Cabriolet is finished and still have two cars?
I like what your doing, I admire your determination, and still volunteer time to maintain the website! Duesy of a guy award nomination 4 U!
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Phase 1 of this "unconversion" or rebirth is to get the Cabriolet body fixed. That means new firewall and floorpan. Everything has to be straight.
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Or, to paraphrase Shakespeare, "It is not that Bill loved the Custom Beverly less, but that he loved the Cabriolet more."
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balinwire wrote: Normally I would like to see a sedan with such minor damage, repaired, but being that you own the wonderful Cabriolet it will live on in a way.
To leave your open car hot-rodded would be wrong being it is so rare, maybe a handful survive, so be it.
Does your black cars seat recline further than the sedans? Or were they replacement cushions.
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Minor damage? Bids have been ranging from 65,000 to 95,000 to fix the Custom Beverly.
I am having the correct seats made from blueprints provided by Henry Portz.
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To leave your open car hot-rodded would be wrong being it is so rare, maybe a handful survive, so be it.
Does your black cars seat recline further than the sedans? Or were they replacement cushions.
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Today I drove my new Cord for the first time! I moved it from the temporary storage into its new home near Love Field in Dallas.
The Cord isn't too pretty right now, but what a difference a Lycoming makes!
Sure, it doesn't shift right now. I have to do it by hand.
All went pretty well considering the front end is a little bunged up right now. I popped a Goodyear Radial on the passenger front side. It hit the edge of the fender as I was backing out of the temporary space. No matter, the tire and the hubcap didn't look too good anyway!
While driving it from the flat bed truck into the new storage area, I marvelled at the silent running of the engine, the smoothness of the ride. This was certainly no Olds 455 under the hood!
I am a little sad that this car will become a parts car. It is so pretty inside. It doesn't look damaged at all really..
Dear Diary, a memo to self. Go on a diet. The steering wheel kept hitting my gut as I was driving the car. Maybe the seats slide back? It's an IQ test I couldn't figure out.
Well the new Cord is tucked away, waiting for the day of the big transplant. I take solace in knowing this car will live on, helping a lot of other cars stay on the road.
It took one last ride in this grand old automobile to convince me that the engine is in fine shape and is a perfect candidate to restore my Cabriolet.
If you would like a piece of this beautiful car to live on in your automobile, then write to me and let me know what you are looking for. These parts don't need to be restored, just transplanted.
Look over the car, keep in mind that I need ALL running gear, everything in front of the firewall, including the firewall and floorpan.
www.cordhaven.com/1937CustomBeverly
Bye for now Diary.
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