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For a reference, in 1958 my oldest brother, one year out of high school, did a quick respray for a guy who had bought a 55 Chevy "Yellow Cab". Driving around in a "Yellow Cab" wasn't cool at all. For $25 my brother put on a coat of dark grey primer and covered all the yellow that could be seen by opening the doors, hood and trunk. BTW the $25 covered the materials.
With this type of respray you can find out the original color by pulling the ID plate off. Even though it is only held on by a total of 4 little screws, you can bet that there is shiny black paint behind it.
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You will allways have to be in your Sunday best to keep the interior looking sweet.
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The interior will stay tan
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The attached picture will give you a good idea of what I mean.
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It now appears to be generally accepted that different paint and trim combinations could be ordered at extra cost.
The Teefy Seltz dealership price lists the options.
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Thinking more about this very early production car,
It has maroon paint and a light tan interior, supposidly the original colour was black so it should have had a light grey interior.
Are we to accept that the car was repainted and completely reupholstered just to make a sale?
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Also, the interior is light tan, not grey.
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I agree with George, it certainly looks like it was black originally. This is an early car and given the production delays at the time, it's unlikely the company would interupt assembly to change the colour of a car. I think it is most likely that O'Donnell-Mackie changed the colour, but why ? You might get a clue as more of the paint comes off. O'Donnel-Mackie had more than their share of odd ball Cords and did things that other dealers did not......we'll add this one to the list.
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Seeing that this Cord has such an early Serial Number I do not believe it was repainted just to make the sale. The next Cord on O'Donnell Mackies list has Serial No 1341 A with the date beingMarch 23rd.
Later when the dealers were having trouble making sales then maybe a car would be repainted but would they go to the trouble of removing the engine to paint the firewall???????????
The dealer documentation is extremely rare and in your case it says Maroon.
The rest is up to you.
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This adds another layer on my restoration, including does the car need to be black which it looks like it was when it left the factory, restored to what it was when sold which is with the black jambs and maroon body paint, or restored as a full maroon car .
Some interest decisions ahead!
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The car was maroon when it was sold, but it could have been re-painted before going to Canada by some other dealer for a specific customer who backed out of the deal because of timing. Cars were sitting on lots a lot of places. Dealers would do what they had to to sell one., including a quick overspray.
Your door jams and door edges look black in the pics. If it came from the factory burgundy, the jams would match the whole body.
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The information you passed along is interesting as Mr Stevenson is assumed to be the original owner, and by the paperwork including the serial number and engine number including the records from ODonnell Mackie where it was sold, this car was maroon when new.
it is very interesting that the single layer of “primer” paint under the maroon is black, and I’m hoping someone here can help me out with why that might be.
The firewall area is Maroon paint directly on top of the bare metal.
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the window crank knob, are black . The interior trim is light grey. I have included a factory color chart.
George. 63 year Canadian Club member.
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I decided to carefully remove the 60’s red marble door panel covers, and luckily the originals are still underneath, and will be excellent templates when the time comes to have new ones made up.
I have also been picking away at removing the overpaint from the car, and there is quite a lot of the original maroon paint underneath.
interestingly the original primer under the maroon paint is black.
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Yes they are magical cars and probably the world's most modern car when released back in 1936. I have just about finished the complete restoration of mine and have been looking forward to getting it back on the road for a long time.
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Attached is the picture of the Toronto ACD agents.
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I have Sid Ayers scale drawing . The element and socket are stock.
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I don’t have his email but I’m guessing he will contact me after the show.
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I have sent you a couple of PM’s regarding your cord body panels, but I’ve been getting emails saying that your inbox is full.
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How does a guy go about removing cord door panels? Are they attached with the push clips like a 60’s or 70’s car where you carefully go around the edge of the panel with the panel pry tool and pop them off?
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The info on this car gets better and better; I found 6 handwritten pages from the original owner stating what maintenance was done to the car, starting in 1936.
Also very interesting is that the original owner was an ACD member, and I found an envelope sent to him in 1956 (so I now have his old address in eastern Canada) and it has 5 old hand typed members lists for the ACD club for 1955,56 and 57.
The envelope says the club was based on Sam Francisco then.
All fascinating pieces to this unique car.
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Another note is the door panels have the chrome pieces in tact. Don't loose those. They are almost impossible to replace. Also door handles both inside n outside are no longer made. Same with the window rollups. There was only one locking door and thats the front passenger side.I see your car has that.
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The seat covers had done a good job of protecting the original seats, so that they should be very useful as a pattern to make new ones.
The door panels have been obviously recovered at some point, and it looks like the original material is underneath.
I’m ver curious about the material that is beside the dread sears, and moves up to join the rear of the headliner. Do you gents think this is original material?
There was a piece of battleship linoleum on the rear floor that the parts were on, and the original burgundy carpet is in decent shape underneath.
All in all I am very pleased with the car as a starting point for a restoration; it’s very untouched and the odometer reads 36,000 miles.
After going through the extra stuff in the car, here what I found;
The good news;
There is 5 original hubcaps for the car in decent condition, and the taillights were in a box that must have been put there when the trunk lid was removed.
Also, the rad and gas tank have been reconditioned and look brand new.
The bad;
The missing fuel/oil gauge was not in the parts in the car, so I will be hunting for one of those.
And also as pointed out before, the steering wheel is from an old Buick so I will be looking for a steering wheel
As well.
Also, when I removed the seat cover you can see the holes and the ghost of the brackets in the back of the seat for the pull cord; they are missing as well.
The car has an interesting heater with the defrost nozzles that pop out up onto the windshields which I believe is pretty rare.
Anyways, I’m still just getting a feel for what I have and welcome all comments from you guys and gals as to what you are seeing or not seeing in the photos.
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What does the correct cigar lighter look like ?
I will post a picture tomorrow morning. I'm on the west coast probably the same time zone as you.
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Finding the correct cigar lighter is difficult at best and will cost about $400.00. Thats a lot to spend on something nobody uses.
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I’m picking up the car tomorrow but here are a few photos of when I looked at it again last week.
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Post a couple pics
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As an average Joe paying in Canadian dollars and shipping will hurt, but to own and restore a Cors it’s worth it!
I don’t mind rough panels as I have a shrunken/stretcher and an English wheel and can easily make patch panels, etc if there is some rot.
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