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Barry Sly tells me there was a "fad" in the UK to have over size driving lights.
This one took first prize.
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I found some pictures of the "ultimate driving lamps" fitted to a RHD Cord cabriolet that was on the road in the UK and driven to Malta a number of times.
The lights looks like they came from a Duesenberg. They must have had a portable generator in the trunk to run them.
With those gigantic lights and other decorations it is a wonder any air was able to successfully pass through the radiator. I guess she just ran pretty warm all the way to Malta and back home to the UK.
Maybe Barry Sly in the UK can add to this posting? Barry has done extensive research on the Cords sold there new.
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I am having trouble adding the picture and will have to come back to it tomorrow.
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I enjoy getting involved with the discussions in the Forums as there is not much happening here in Australia. Attached is a copy of the production sheet as listed in the August 1967 Newsletter. The second page is my attempt to identify which cars came off the lines in each month of 1936. The last page comes from Dan Post's iconic book on Cords showing the spread of L29's, 810's and 812's registered in each state. It accounts for 2,320 810 -812 Cords. Some would have been exported .
I could not attempt to identify which cars were produced each month during 1937 as there were 812's as well as the Custom Series Cords.
It is a pity that more has not been preserved as it makes exciting reading.
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If you go to the engineering change records , in many cases the records call out what car serial numbers the change was initially applied to. The date of the engineering change is also defined. Knowing your serial number, in many cases you can bracket when your car was produced. If you are extremely lucky, your car's serial number might be called out on a specific engineering change, with the date of the change , and you can pinpoint the exact date of production.
As an aside, more people writing into this particular discussion should read and use the engineering change info as gospel. As Jim indicates, production records don't exist. Engineering change records are official Auburn documents used to build the cars. They are official factory information, If you also read the factory accessory bulletins, you will find that the cars basically did not come out of the factory doors with most of the accessories that you may see on the judging field. They were installed by dealers as a way of making more dollars profit on cars that they sold. Exactly how that works with our club motto is another subject for discussion.
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The only production records that survived are the end of the month record of how many of each model were built. If there were any order records they would have been from the dealership or the original owner.
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We need more members to get involved, I'm in a Cord vacuum here in OZ.
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And on another interesting judging topic is the correct tires.... They were originally double whitewalls bias ply with tubes. I had one on my car in VERY poor shape.It may have been an original because my car came off the roads in around 1949 never to be driven under its own power again. Judging states changes made for safety like tubeless tires or seat belts are NOT a points deduction. I also ask myself did any Cord leave the assembly line with black wall tires. Some say yes... Some say nope. These cars are NOT Corvettes where the grease pen marks and the over-spray is a judging item. I hope to GOD we never get to to that point...
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Lets take a look at correct spark plugs. In the perfect ideal world we need the two ring Champion H10 plug with the beer bottle looking porcelain and the black body. Sadly they are now close to $300.00 EACH. But they are out there.Stepping back from that plug it the five ring with the black body. Stepping back once more is the five ring with the cad body gun blued to black.That takes plenty of work to get the cad plating off and then blued as much as seven times. Then stepping back again some just use the cad plated five ring H10 plugs and take the judging hit. This is where the judging gets the variables. I don't judge nor do I know how what I have posted here is going to be accepted. I know this spark plug message to be the truth.
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This is a good discussion. I think that what might help all of us is to have more photos of the accessories and what is "correct". Would it be possible to in some fashion connect photographs of what is correct with what the judging standards are? I'm willing to help with this. Possibly we could start a new thread regarding photographs of accessories. Or, may be we can develop a new file on judging standards that is linked to photographs of "correct" standards. I do think there was a degree of variation coming off the assembly line and I do think the onus is on each of us to do the research regarding a particular feature of our Cords. Sorry if I came across frustrated in one of my posts. I am just trying to sort through what has been added and what is "correct" on my Berline. There are some unique items on this Cord, like chrome glove box doors and window sills. The family is strongly certain that these were present when the Cord was purchased. Do I keep them or put them back to "standard/correct"? I may never know what or how this Berline actually looked when first sold. This is part of the mystery of Cord automobiles.
Hope this helps and adds to our discussion.
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I was under the "illusion" that the new revised judging standards concentrated on exactly how the cars left the factory apart from accesories that were fitted by the dealers.
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Regarding the fog lights they were dealer installed options. Auburn would sell the fog lights to the dealership. Some dealerships would buy fog lights from other sources and install them on new Cord - this would save them a couple of dollars. Also each dealership would install them their own way so there is no one way to run the wires, locate the switch, etc.
If you really want to know what is correct for your car start doing research. You can start with the engineering change notes, find original factory photos or early photos. Take a very good look at the few original cars that are left. I know you will have a lot more time in doing the research then you will have in restoring your Cord!
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If anyone wants something, volunteer to head it up.
I just try to be helpful; if anyone wants fluted fog light reflectors I have a couple extra.
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My Berline had fog lights on it when it rolled off the assembly line. The wiring holes are still present on the front body shell. How am I to correctly restore this rare Cord if I do not have a detailed judging standard for something as simple as the fog lights! I do not know what exactly I need in reference to these fog lights.
It is time for judges and all involved to provide the information we need to preserve the history our cars represent.
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It detailed all of the screws and nuts as well as the sleeve material, chain and spring clips. A perfect example showing how to do it correctly.
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I don't think the judges would be splitting hairs over what material the brackets were cast in just as long as they are the correct shape.
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Finally one last word on lens. There are several shades to pick from.So please buy a lens that matches what you have. Nothing in my opinion looks worse that two different shade lens or one is plastic and the other actual glass.
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Maybe the judging people can comment on this?
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