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11 Oct 2021 23:44 #44075 by Terry Cockerell
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Pete the material the brackets are made from is cast steel and not cast iron.
My main brackets were deformed where they fit the bumper support and had to be straightened in a press. If they had been cast iron they would have cracked.
Any corroded areas can easily be built up with electric welding and hand finished.

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11 Oct 2021 17:39 #44069 by uconn_1965
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Gee I’ve bought plenty of 6 11/16 guide brackets and they are perfectly straight. Maybe they are only cocked in Canada.

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11 Oct 2021 17:29 #44067 by pete kelly
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The brackets used by GM look the same but the head part that holds the light is tipped slightly right and left to compensate for the non horizontal bumper back bar.
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11 Oct 2021 15:36 #44066 by wcoye
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Thanx, $400 was more than I wanted to pay but the brackets I'm using now , I think, are plated VW. They look nice but not correct. So, as I've seldom, if ever, seen a correct pair offered , I jumped. I've spent the pandemic doing a primarily cosmetic restoration of my Westchester....with a lot of help and encouragement from Terry Cockerell. These brackets were the missing link.

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2014 Hillsborough Concurs Strother MacMinn award

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11 Oct 2021 15:17 #44065 by uconn_1965
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The fog light brackets are not as rare as you think. They are used to mount 6 11/16 guide fog light on some GM cars of the late 30’s and also are the bracket to mount the stop light on a American laFrancre fire truck. It seems to me a club member some time ago first cast these in aluminum and then brass.

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11 Oct 2021 15:11 #44064 by 1748 S
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Thanks Bill. I'm glad someone in the club got these. Kind of sorry I ran up the bid but I went as high as I was prepared to pay for these. Something is only worth what we want to pay for it...


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11 Oct 2021 02:46 #44063 by balinwire
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I have a nice chrome set but my car is preserved old old, original air in the tires so if you decide to spend another couple hundred+ on plating let me know.
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10 Oct 2021 23:21 #44061 by wcoye
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thanx, Mate!

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10 Oct 2021 22:59 #44060 by Terry Cockerell
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Bill I was just about to pick up the phone to talk with a guy in a foundry in Newcastle about the cost of casting the brackets in brass or bronze.
A guy in Sydney wants a set then there was .................. you!
I will post some pictures of the clamps

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10 Oct 2021 22:54 #44059 by pete kelly
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Here are pics of the front clamps.
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10 Oct 2021 21:15 #44058 by wcoye
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So after admitting to the purchase of the fog light brackets, would someone(s) please post a photo(s) of the front clamps? Many thanx in advance.
Bill

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10 Oct 2021 21:10 #44057 by wcoye
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Hey Gary,
I bit the bullet. They're heading out to Raleigh NC. I understand black was an original color. I prefer chrome but I can live with black. As for the front clamps, making up replacements will give me something to do while I'm confined after foot surgery next week.

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10 Oct 2021 17:20 #44053 by 1748 S
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These sold today for $400.00. I was a bidder up to $355.00 but no farther. They needed the front clamp brackets and then chromed.


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09 Oct 2021 18:14 - 10 Oct 2021 14:04 #44049 by balinwire
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the copy address will not work anymore, copy and save the image and when on the ACD site there is an attachment button, find the saved image and post.
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09 Oct 2021 17:13 - 09 Oct 2021 17:19 #44047 by pete kelly
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationNo eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationCheck it out Ebay is making it harder to send a link-or maybe it is me-. trying again I give up.

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09 Oct 2021 15:54 #44046 by pete kelly
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationCheck it our

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09 Oct 2021 14:18 - 10 Oct 2021 14:02 #44044 by balinwire
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Is there a screenshot photo of the Fog King lights in the approved Cord accessories catalog? This other style has been seen on many cars,
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09 Oct 2021 02:46 - 10 Oct 2021 14:01 #44041 by balinwire
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The listing pic is not in focus but the one cast-iron Fog King bracket I have seen had a rough pebbled texture surface like the Tripp Lite bracket, this looks like it is prepped for chrome. the other cast iron item I have seen was the supercharged thermostat housings and some other part I can't recall that was on the hand-built early show car.
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07 Oct 2021 23:45 #44034 by Terry Cockerell
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Thanks again Gary and Pete, I am surprised that most of the brackets have been chromed whereas they were originally painted block.
I was given a set of lamps by a fellow Cord owner for helping with his restoration. They were missing the CORD name tags which I fitted. I felt they were not originally fitted to a Cord simply because the tags had never been fitted.

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07 Oct 2021 22:02 #44033 by pete kelly
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Hi Terry
Original brackets were painted black cast iron.
Almost all Cords have chrome brackets today.
I have only seen 1 original chrome brass bracket.
I believe the narrow non-symmetrical rim with 2 hooks and screw is correct for the NOS light I posted.
After that I know nothing
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07 Oct 2021 21:28 #44031 by 1748 S
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Terry too many answers as to whats correct for the fasteners on the retaining ring. Pete has an opinion on what retainer ring is correct. Sadly others that I have discussed this with have differing opinions too. I have no absolute correct answer yet.


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07 Oct 2021 20:56 #44030 by Terry Cockerell
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Thanks guys for the answers, although I have some more questions.
1. Were the brackets originally supplied painted or chromed or both types?
2. The retaining rings on the lights I have are fitted with very small copper hooks with a screw and nut to draw them up tight. Is this type acceptable?

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07 Oct 2021 17:33 #44028 by 1748 S
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Agreed... These are correct. I believe the retainer ring is correct too but really can't see much of the fastener.


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07 Oct 2021 15:12 #44027 by pete kelly
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Regarding brackets; there is a pair on Ebay right now that the seller claims to be right. PLEASE NOTE There are very similar brackets that are exact EXCEPT the head where the fog light attaches is slightly tipped left or right.
This link will probably not work but here goes.
Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! Cord 1936 1937 ORIGINAL Fog Light Brackets ( Goose Neck ) Fog King VERY RARE ebay.us/s0wqMR

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07 Oct 2021 15:05 #44026 by pete kelly
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IMhO this is the light you want; in the original box(find 2 at Hershey).

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07 Oct 2021 14:57 #44025 by 1748 S
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Terry the brackets have been very hard to find. They rarely come up on ebay or for sale otherwise. The amber lens is the next most difficult item to find. Buying one usually will not match and mismatched lens up front looks terrible. I have found 4 different fog king light buckets but judjing wants to see the retainer ring more than the bucket. The back of the bucket MUST have the flat end. Not the pointed end.The retainer ring is still a mystery to me. Some say it needs to be the one with the three piece fasteener. Others tell me its the narrow ring... But there are several narrow ring available too. Sadly NOBODY has published any information on what is correct and I believe the judging group really needs to do this. Personally I want to do things correctly and I want to do it one time. But getting ALL the information is very difficult. I have a few club members that are really good with the fog lights.After Hershey I plan to asking questions. I will be taking some Fog King lights to the West Coast meet for discussion. I have done this before but now more questions have developed since then.


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07 Oct 2021 08:12 #44022 by Terry Cockerell
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Gary why did you say the brackets are "very" rare???
I would have thought the lights were as rare as the brackets.
Thanks mate,
Terry

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06 Oct 2021 22:55 #44020 by 1748 S
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Thanks Pete.Those are the set I found on ebay.I suspect you are having issues posting from ebay too because all you were able to do is post the picture. Nothing else came up as to the listing or price or ebay number.


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06 Oct 2021 20:06 - 06 Oct 2021 23:34 #44015 by pete kelly
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Trying again ebay number 144158853914
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06 Oct 2021 20:05 - 06 Oct 2021 20:37 #44014 by pete kelly
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationAre these the lights you want a link to?
FOG KING Fog Lights W chrome brackets1930's 40's Ford AUBURN Buick CORD Big Car
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06 Oct 2021 18:22 #44013 by 1748 S
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationNot sure why our web site wont allow me to post something from ebay. Am trying AGAIN....

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06 Oct 2021 18:19 - 06 Oct 2021 18:19 #44012 by 1748 S
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationI found this set a few days ago. The buckets are correct but.. The lens are NOT. The brackets are correct and VERY rare. Jim O'brien told me Auburn made them but I have not confirmed this. If a person knew how to paint the off white line inside the lens I believe these would pass judging. Either way they are a very nice set and would make any Cord look great. These are NOT mine nor do I know the seller. Just posting for everyone.



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