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12 Apr 2021 23:06 - 12 Apr 2021 23:06 #42897 by wynlaidig
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Stan Gililand sells sets of correct original style wheel lugs.
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12 Apr 2021 20:36 #42896 by Tim Gilmartin
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I have sent you a pm regarding a nice fix to the wheel/ brake drum connection.
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11 Apr 2021 16:11 #42890 by alsancle
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Here are the 7/8 NAPA head lugs next to the originals. The NAPA lugs are 1" of thread vs 3/4 for the originals so I'm going to see if they come shorter as I would rather not cut them.

They do seat much better than the originals.
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02 Apr 2021 16:11 #42810 by alsancle
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Ok, got it. Will only use the impact to remove the bolts. I'm wondering how long it will be before you can set the torque on one of them.

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02 Apr 2021 15:20 #42809 by George van Nostrand
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Every vintage car owner should own a torque wrench. Use it to install wheels then re-torque after driving. This is the routine on modern cars. 90 Ft lbs
is a good spec.

Restoring 1936 Cord Westchester sedan.2023 A
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02 Apr 2021 14:50 #42808 by Tim Gilmartin
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I agree that 90 ft-lbs is the correct torque. I believe Josh Malks recommended this also. I remove the bolts with a gun, but tighten them by hand so as to not over tighten or damage anything.
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02 Apr 2021 02:11 #42802 by Terry Cockerell
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I agree with Jim's comments. From other Cord guys who are no longer with us, the generally accepted torque is 90 Ft Lbs. I use a tension wrench just for peace of mind. After tightening them I drive the car without the hubcaps for a while then recheck the wheels nut with the torque wrench. Some nuts have moved a little and tighten up then the hubcaps are refitted.

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02 Apr 2021 01:45 - 02 Apr 2021 01:51 #42800 by JIM.OBRIEN
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I would never tighten a bolt with an impact wrench. You have no idea how much torque you are appling.

Cliff - with a 4' lever on the socket and guessing you are putting your weight of 100 to 150 lbs on the end of the lever which means you are putting between 400 and 600 ft-lbs of torque on the lug bolts. I don't have my charts handy but that is way too much torque. just my 2 cents.
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01 Apr 2021 12:18 #42785 by alsancle
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I took them off with my 18V impact gun. Should I be putting them on with a bar instead?

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01 Apr 2021 04:24 #42784 by mikespeed35
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Do you carry the breaker bar and 4 foot pipe in the car for when you have a flat? The eeeeccch sound is lug nut talk for STOP.
CORDiallyMike

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01 Apr 2021 00:37 #42782 by alsancle
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I've ordered 5 and I'll see how they work and post pictures.

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31 Mar 2021 21:31 #42781 by uconn_1965
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The only thing I would check is to make sure the conical taper of new lug bolt is the same as Cord
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31 Mar 2021 20:57 #42780 by 1748 S
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alsancle wrote: Peter Morgan gave me a call and explained what was going on here. I short term fix is that NAPA has lug bolts with a 7/8 head instead of the factory 3/4.

www.napaonline.com/en/p/NDP6411587


Thats actually a great idea from Peter. I may try a couple of these lug nut bolts just to see how they fit.I doubt using these are going to drop us a few points in judging. How would any judge really know these were on a car.


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31 Mar 2021 17:29 #42778 by uconn_1965
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My 2 cents that some members may disagree with. When reinstalling, you can’t get the wheel lugs “too tight”. I’ve never used a torque wrench. I have an 18” breaker bar. I then slip over the shaft of the breaker bar a 4’ long length of 1 1/2 copper tubing sl essentially I have a 4’ breaker bar. I tightened the lung nuts evenly until they give me a eeeeeeecccch. sound. They are now tight and in 50 years never had a problem with a wheel.

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31 Mar 2021 16:58 #42777 by alsancle
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Peter Morgan gave me a call and explained what was going on here. I short term fix is that NAPA has lug bolts with a 7/8 head instead of the factory 3/4.

www.napaonline.com/en/p/NDP6411587

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31 Mar 2021 11:59 #42773 by alsancle
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Awesome. When you say "Hub" is there a part behind the wheel drum? I assume I need to get the drum off to see it?

thanks.

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31 Mar 2021 10:42 #42772 by Terry Cockerell
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The wheel bolts are an indication that the car has the original fragile cast wheel hubs. The flanges on these hubs flex and eventually cause the bolts to loosen. I suggest that you make enquires for replacement steel hubs. The steel hubs have studs and nuts. Don Wohlwend used to supply new rear steel hubs. I believe he sold that business to a guy in Canada. With the steel hubs you end up with a much safe driving car and virtually eliminate the wheel problems. I say virtually because it is a good idea to check the torque on the wheel nuts regularly.
I had my original cast hubs crack tested and was horrified to see they were full of cracks. The steel hubs are the only way to go for safe driving.

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31 Mar 2021 10:27 #42771 by alsancle
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Well that stinks. I'll have to check the other wheels and the spare. I do have a brand new set of wheels I bought for my dad 20 years ago. Wasn't really looking forward to painting them and mounting new tires though.

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31 Mar 2021 01:18 #42768 by 1748 S
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It appears this wheel was run with loose lug nuts so now the holes in the rim are bigger.Repairing it will take some TIG welding and machining to get it correct again. Knowing the centers is going to be very important.


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31 Mar 2021 00:22 #42767 by alsancle
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Pulling one of the wheels off to start on a brake job I noticed that the lug bolts do not seat cleanly in the rim. Something seems wrong to me. I should point out the car has 5k miles on it with this setup but I'm not sure it is right.

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