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Regarding not having 4th gear. It sounds like there is a break in the yellow wire somewhere between the switch in the column and the solenoid bank. The pencil in the shift selector should make contact with the yellow wire and the red/green wire at the same time so if one is hot, the other should be hot. You might want to check the plug connection since that is the last thing you messed with.
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The next item to check is the selector switch. See the last two Newsletters (I think both of these are out) for articles on the selector switch for how to test it and how to pull it apart and rebuild it.
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You mentioned finding some debris under the plungers in the solenoids. Pull the copper lines that are on those solenoids and make sure they are clean. I have found these lines plugged. When reinstalling the lines do not use teflon tape on the threads. The seal is the flare on the tubing. The two parts of the fittings press the copper between them creating the seal. Putting teflon tape on the fitting on the copper line does not help and can create problems.
Use teflon tape on the threads between the fitting and the housing where the thread is the seal. When using the teflon tape leave the first thread bare and wrap 1 1/2 turns of tape only such that the tape will tighten when the fitting is threaded in. Also only tighten the fitting , if you have to loose it the teflon tape will leak. If you have to loosen the fitting, take it out and put new teflon tape on.
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For pulling the clutch figure 10 to 15 hours on a standard Cord if you have never done it before. Add a couple of hours for a car with external exhausts. For going back together figure 20 to 30 hours. Experience allows you to do a little better then the low end numbers however there has been 85 years of time, and someone else screwing things up so expect the unknown and problems along the way.
When you have the transmission out it is worth a few hours to check the syncro's an make sure they aren't too worn. This can be done by pulling the cover if you know what you are looking at. Maybe even check to see if the third gear thrust washer has been modified a couple of hours to pull the top shaft. If you have to go back into the transmission you have at least 25 to 30 hours of labor to get the transmission out and back in.
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I agree with Cliff, use the head washers under the main shift cylinder stand. If you don't have any use two regular(medium weight, not the cheap thin ones) flat washer under each bolt. When you get done try shifting into third and see if the front edge of the main shift cylinder hits the transmission cover. If it does add another washer. I'm betting this is why you don't have third gear.
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Thanks both for your replies. Yes, I took the bumpers, front cover off right at the start of the problems. Nothing is loose. Removing the pin from the clevis, I can move the transmission manually - if I have arranged to have the clutch depressed. Without the clutch depressed, it's nearly impossible to move the shifter. I do note that with the car idling in neutral, the wheels will spin as if driven; however, I can apply the brakes and the the car continues running fine and the transmission idles like any manual in neutral. I will see if I can check the gasket as mentioned.
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Have you pulled the front bumper and transmission cover and checked the cross shift. Is something loose? The arm on the shaft tight? The shaft in the bushings sloppy? Try disconnecting the main shift cylinder from the cross shift and moving the cross shift around.
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I have owned other cars that I characterize as a "tinkerer's delight" so the mysteries of a Cord is all the more alluring.
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With you gear selection problems you will have to check everything in the circuit and conduct test trials. Mine had a few problems due to a worn keyway on the cross shaft at the front of the gearbox. It was tight when cold but could move a bit when warmed up upsetting the syncronization.
Be patient, you will get there eventually.
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All of the above is interesting but a reference to Engineering Changes @ Page 32 shows an entry by F. E. Winchester dated 2-11-37 showing that car with S#1886 was the first standard car utilizing the new generator K11233 and associated changes in voltage regulator , attaching bracket for generator and new generator belt and cable assembly. This was just one chassis ahead of #1887 which Tom Hartz had owned.
Space and time this evening does not allow more detailed discussion but I{ am struck by the large number of phaeton bodies Cords assembled during the spring of 1937 and the running sequential nature of their production. This is a topic for another day. Carry on , Jack Richards #1080 in Missouri.
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Now the archaeology of the car serial numbers starts. But no matter... You have a Cord
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automaven.com/Technical/_Gearshift_Wiring/wiring_diagram8.pdf
Get this printed out and keep several copies, including one in the glovebox of the Cord. Studying it should answer a lot of your questions and help you in the troubleshooting.
It sounds like you are having engine troubles, while you are checking take some vacuum readings. You should be over 20"Hg, at idle, if not you need to tune up the engine..
You asked about the shift switch on the column...in the last Newsletter is an article on taking it apart and inspecting it. In the next Newsletter will be an article (if I get it done in time) on putting it back together and testing it. I'm working my way thru the shifting system, one component at a time.
AS you are having trouble with the shifting give me a call, my number is in the directory and inside the front cover of the NL. I'll be happy to walk you thru getting it shifting properly.
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The trans issue can be daunting. But careful step by step will fix it easily.I suggest you disconnect the trans shifting arm from the front of the trans and then shift the car thru the gears. That may point to the vacuum can being stuck or a bad solenoid in the passenger side solenoid block. There are 4 separate solenoids in that rectangular piece. In all honesty it sounds like your clutch cutout switch might be out of adjustment but do not start moving it yet until other better members chime in with advice. Jim Obrien is VERY GOOD with these trans issues.
As for the gas tank I too believe the float has a hole in it so it fills with gas and sinks. They are easy to repair but just replacing it works the best. Mine has too many cracks in the brass cylinder. I tried soldiering it but it got too heavy. I have not replaced it yet but I have it apart on the bench if you want pictures. Just make sure the ignition key is turned off before working removing it. An electrical spark can ruin your day.
Everyone would love to see pictures of your car too
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I suggest you contact Jim O'brien in Pennsylvania, for the new book.
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It's a good idea not to rush in but be patient and do things one step at a time, that is how I sorted mine out.
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1) How/where do I get a copy of the transmission guide mention in a few posts?
2) Are there there any vendor lists for parts kept by the club?
3) Are there factory parts and service manuals for the car (a quick look did not turn up anything)?
4) If the column needs to come out, steering wheel off, etc, as the next steps, any recommendations as to best way to do so?
5) How does the selector mechanism come apart - it's not immediately self-evident to me and I don't want to add insult to injury
6) On an entirely unrelated note, the fuel gauge is also inoperable, but appears to be the sender - any good source or universal sender to recommend?
Sorry if I am repeating questions answered elsewhere, but the forum search function was of limited help and I am (mostly) inclined to ask questions before just tearing things apart.

Fred
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