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10 May 2021 03:30 #43106 by DONALD.ELMER
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I see what you are saying. It hadn't occurred to me that the Bijur fitting might not be directly over the king pin. I will check this out.
Thanks to both you and Pete for your thoughts on all this!!!

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09 May 2021 13:46 #43102 by Justin Kerns
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Yes exactly Pete. Don, here is one of your photos from your first post in this thread. I've circled where the Bijur fitting should thread into the axle. This will provide plenty of clearance under the brake line.


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09 May 2021 11:42 #43101 by pete kelly
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What we are saying is that the bijur fitting is threaded into the axle on an angle, not onto the king pin. Your axle should have a hole in each end for that.

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09 May 2021 06:07 #43099 by DONALD.ELMER
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There doesn't seem to be a way to insert the Bijur fitting except directly down into the king pin... I will have to double check this tomorrow.

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09 May 2021 02:56 #43097 by Justin Kerns
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Yes Don it appears you have the correct axle. And the bijur fittings should clear the brake hoses if they thread into the axle at angle and you route the lines immediately down and away from the brake hose like shown in the photos I posted.

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09 May 2021 02:36 #43096 by DONALD.ELMER
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After double checking my axle, I think that is the part number. Does this mean that this front axle center is a standard 1933 8-105 part? I believe that I read that the correct center was a D1046.

So I'm still confused.

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07 May 2021 20:32 #43093 by pete kelly
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Axle # is E61807

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07 May 2021 20:02 #43092 by pete kelly
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I must correct myself again.
I found another front axle, 8 cyl SALON with 3/4" king pins and the axle has holes it it where the bijur fittings were, (since replaced with oil cups here)
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07 May 2021 11:45 #43089 by pete kelly
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In Justin's pic the axle appears to be drilled for the bijur fitting.
Don, is your axle drilled in the same place?
Too bad about the owners manual but another 8-105 owner is happy.
Pete

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07 May 2021 04:27 #43085 by DONALD.ELMER
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Pete.. the book was gone by the time I checked.

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07 May 2021 04:26 #43084 by DONALD.ELMER
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Hey Justin...

First of all, thank you for the time you've spent looking into the 8-105 enigma... I appreciate this very much. So here is what I know and don't know right now: (1) the front axle on my car is stamped E61807... I think (it's hard to read exactly; (2) according to my Parts List for 8-105, 8-101 and 8-100, the "center" for the 8-105 should be E61818... the center for the 8-101 and 8-100 is E60217; (3) the king pin for E61818 should be E61809 but the parts book doesn't say if this is 3/4" king pin (which mine is at present); and (4) according to the 8-98 and 8-98A parts list, the front end center should be E1-412.

The stamping on my axle is certainly not E1-412 so I'm inclined to think that the axle is a 1933 vintage (or perhaps later???). Over the past two years, we've noted several "front end" discrepancies that have led us to believe that the car had a substantial encounter with a fixed object at some time before 1965.
As far as the Bijur connection goes, it's impossible to insert the Bijur fitting into the top of the king pin because there is inadequate clearance with the hydraulic brake line. When I got the car in 1965, I wasn't aware of the Bijur mechanism and did not discover the absence of the front-axle Bijur supply line until many years later.
I bought the car in 1965 when I was in high school... at that time it was a "chicken coop" up in the hills east of Seattle. I suspect that it was so converted sometime after WWII and probably in the early 60s. I suspect that the front-end encounter occurred long after Auburn stopped supplying parts and that someone made do...

A large part of the joy that I'm having with this car is discovering its history... in this spirit I will continue to decipher the reason why the Bijur system was disabled.

Thanks again!

Don

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07 May 2021 01:59 #43078 by Justin Kerns
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Hi Don - here are 2 photos of an 8-105 front axle. One shows the passenger side and how the Bijur fitting exits the axle and immediately bends down and away from the brake line. The other shows the driver side where the brake line has been removed. This view shows the routing of the Bijur line down and along the axle. Also I agree with Pete - the shape of your axle does look correct so I think based on these photos hopefully you can see how to make everything fit.


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06 May 2021 19:14 #43076 by DONALD.ELMER
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the king pin diameter is 3/4"

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06 May 2021 00:28 #43064 by pete kelly
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationOwners manual for 8-105 on ebay

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06 May 2021 00:04 #43063 by pete kelly
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I just looked a little closer and I must correct myself!
I have 9 extra front axles BUT NO salons.
I do have a front axle with this odd Spindle; could be from a Corbitt truck.
This would eliminate the problem of no room for the Bijur fitting.

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05 May 2021 23:46 #43062 by pete kelly
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Hi Don
Yours is definitely a salon axle.
What is the king pin diameter?
Pete

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05 May 2021 17:32 #43060 by DONALD.ELMER
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Ah ha... this is starting to make sense now...

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05 May 2021 17:30 #43059 by DONALD.ELMER
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Here is the full front axle...
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05 May 2021 13:45 #43057 by pete kelly
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I just looked and I have 6 extra front axles but no salon 8.
We need to see the whole front axle to determine if it is salon.

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05 May 2021 13:37 #43056 by Justin Kerns
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Hello Don,

According to my parts book the 8-105 front center axle should be part E61818. The same part for 8-100 & 8-101 would be E60217. Yours may be from a 1931 8-98 (same width and general design) although I can't check because I don't have that parts book. The 8-98 did not have hydraulic brakes so it would make sense that the hose on your car could interfere with the Bijur fitting. Maybe someone with a 8-98 parts book can confirm my theory.

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05 May 2021 12:29 #43055 by pete kelly
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Can you post a pic of the whole axle looking from the front?

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05 May 2021 04:47 #43054 by DONALD.ELMER
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I believe the part number for the 1933 8-105 front center axle is "D 1046" . The front center axle on my 1933 8-105 is "E8 1807" (see picture #1) and the configuration of this center axle does not permit the installation of a king-pin Bijur fitting because of the placement of the brake hose (see picture #2)

For several other reasons, I think my car sustained some serious front-end damage before I acquired it in the mid-1960s. I am trying to figure out if the front center axle was replaced with a front center from a different model or year. Can anyone provide information on this question?
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12 Mar 2021 22:36 #42611 by johnmereness
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I have a variety of so called Auburn Tie Rods (of which one is supposed to be a V-12) - if someone is looking for a V-12 rod, please let me know what I should be looking for and perhaps i will be your lucky day.

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12 Mar 2021 18:59 #42610 by pete kelly
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I am not sure about salon Auburns but on std Auburns the difference between 8 and 12 was the dia of the king pins; 3/4" vs 7/8". I would think the width of the axle would be the same.
Information from my memory so it is suspect.
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12 Mar 2021 13:43 #42606 by pete kelly
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Can you post a pic of the axle from the front?
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12 Mar 2021 03:13 #42602 by DONALD.ELMER
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During the restoration of my 1933 8-105 Salon, I uncovered bit of evidence that suggests that the car had an encounter with a solid object before I acquired it. I think it is possible that the car underwent repairs to the front end. Last summer for example, during an attempt to bring the toe-in to spec, the tie-rod ran out of travel; it appeared that the tie-rod on the car was too long by a couple of inches. I lopped off an inch or so on either end and re-threaded-- this allowed the toe-in adjustment to spec. During that time, someone told me that the 1933 12-cylinder is wider that the 8-cylinder, so I began to wonder if the front axle was the original; perhaps a repair included the replacement of a damaged 8-cylinder axle with a 12-cylinder.

Since then, I've noticed several other irregularities: right now, I am unable to connect the Bijur junctions on the king-pins; it's impossible to screw in the Bijur fittings due to the placement of the brake tubing. The front axle on the car has a stamped serial number --- D 1046. I am wondering if this number corresponds to 8-105 axles?

If anyone can provide information on this, I would be appreciative.

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