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05 Mar 2021 18:12 #42512 by yorkgulch
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05 Mar 2021 18:00 #42510 by johnmereness
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Pretty nice fenders pictured there !!! I would say those would come out better than what most people have had to work with. As mentioned, the driver's side are usually pretty decent, but he passenger side not o much as people cannot see well via the convertible tops and ....

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02 Mar 2021 04:57 #42450 by Jonathan Richards
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Considering some of the Cord 810/812 fenders I have bought, sold and renovated over the years ,the rear fenders you have to work with are pretty damned good. Competent and patient metal work will make these fenders fully useable. Thanks for sharing your photo images, Jack Richards / #1080 in Missouri.

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01 Mar 2021 20:13 #42447 by yorkgulch
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01 Mar 2021 20:11 #42446 by yorkgulch
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01 Mar 2021 14:22 #42442 by Curt Schulze
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I have a very limited supply of running board covers both 6 & 8. Due to the size they are pickup only.

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01 Mar 2021 10:56 #42441 by prattm
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I actually have running boards, they're rough but not to the point of being useless.

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27 Feb 2021 17:11 #42436 by johnmereness
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I would say Curt to be correct - a 34 has a different diameter wheel opening for the fender (it is larger). If the guage of the metal is correct (and ther eis not much too an Auburn fender in weight), then you can use any fender, but you will have to close up and change a bunch of bolt holes and will have to add metal unless you can find a Cabriolet or a Phaeton fender (which really do not exist unless you have "the luck of the Irish" and then may still not exist). You will need to save your runnignboards too pretty much any way you can - some do exist off cars, but quality out there is pretty bleak.

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21 Feb 2021 00:44 #42332 by Curt Schulze
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On second thought, I think 35-36 cabriolet rear fenders DO interchange with sedan. The 34's are different. I may have a right rear.

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21 Feb 2021 00:35 #42331 by Curt Schulze
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To the best of my knowledge all of the sheet metal on 34-36 Auburns is the same. Sedan fenders do not interchange to cabriolet.

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20 Feb 2021 22:35 #42328 by johnmereness
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A passengers side rear fender is TOUGH to find as you cannot see out of the cars and most were scrapped pretty bad over time (most if you look close on even 100 point cars have seen better days) - there is absolutely no harm in just beating near junk back to shape and filling it to look pretty decent. Curt will have to answer the question if they are a heavier weight metal to allow non flex given step plate, but if not then you may have to adapt up a sedan fender. Most of the cars have been part of the "live fast die young" and "ridden/driven hard and put away wet" set of people at some point or another.

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17 Feb 2021 11:29 #42297 by prattm
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I get what you you guys are saying, I just have to deal with the budget I have. I have most of the outside important parts, some will have to be straightened some need re-platting and some sourced. Example; I need a passenger side rear fender. If I can't find one, I will have to make one with what is left of what came on the car. Plus have my engine put together. I agree Curt is a great resource for parts.

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17 Feb 2021 00:20 #42291 by johnmereness
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Well, sometimes realistic is hard to swallow.

When we did the 1931 Cadillac's in the 70's we were one of the many doing them. When I did the 31 Packard 833 Touring in the 90's I was probably already 10 plus years too late to the party and it was miserable to find parts for it - now another 20 years later is has become even more hard. Curt, you have been a blessing as to parts for the Auburn, though when you started those many years ago there were 4 or 5 + others very active in parts and as time has gone by .....

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16 Feb 2021 14:17 #42281 by Curt Schulze
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I wouldn't say doom John, but realistic.

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16 Feb 2021 05:30 #42266 by johnmereness
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My best advice is that if it is shiny and bolts/screws to the outside of the car (or the dash) then I would have part in hand - this stuff gets harder and harder by the day to deal with. Obviously, it depends what your long term intentions are with the car, but when a stellar reproduction part has been made they historically/typically get snatched up pretty quickly and unfortunately the demand weakens for the second, third, and .. runs matched to always seemingly increased production costs, more mold wear, plating costs, and ..., plus such as even increased shipping costs too. Sorry, to be the voice of doom, but ...

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10 Feb 2021 20:34 #42198 by prattm
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I sent you an email.

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09 Feb 2021 22:08 #42186 by prattm
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Yes, that's something else going on the list of things I need to get from Curt.
The big problem is just trying to figure out what is the most important to continue with the restoration. I need so much it's overwhelming at times.

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09 Feb 2021 20:28 #42180 by johnmereness
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Curt usually has reproduction of the Chrome cover for over top at front bow

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09 Feb 2021 15:13 #42175 by Curt Schulze
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The arm should be straight.

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09 Feb 2021 13:01 #42173 by prattm
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I guess I don't know what I'm looking for.
What is incorrect about the arms?

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06 Feb 2021 00:25 #42135 by Curt Schulze
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Also note, the windshield arms on the tan car are incorrect.

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05 Feb 2021 16:13 #42124 by prattm
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Thanks again Curt!

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05 Feb 2021 16:06 #42123 by Curt Schulze
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number 1

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05 Feb 2021 15:01 #42118 by prattm
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Today's question.
What is the "Factory way" for the convertible top at the windshield?
Some have the chrome (?) plate and other appear to just cover the front bow.
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04 Feb 2021 21:46 #42110 by prattm
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Thanks Curt.
I'm not surprised at all that it's not Auburn. Whoever put it on at least didn't mess up the holes that were there.
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04 Feb 2021 21:06 #42109 by Curt Schulze
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The mirror is the same on all body styles 34-36. That mirror and bracket are not
Auburn of any year. I stock them.

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04 Feb 2021 18:15 #42108 by prattm
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Okay, rearview mirror question.
I think I know the answer to this, but here goes. Is the rearview mirror mounting different between the coupe and cabriolet? I think what I have here is a coupe mirror?

It looks like it is using the proper hardware and is fitting holes that I see on other Auburns.

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20 Jan 2021 18:56 #41966 by prattm
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That's what I was needing!
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20 Jan 2021 16:49 #41964 by yorkgulch
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I think this is how it should look

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17 Jan 2021 16:26 #41953 by prattm
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Another question.
I have to recreate most of the internal wood structure, and I've started at the B-pillar or where the door hinges mount. On the metal cap that goes over the wood upright there is a bump out at the bottom, but non of the old upright wood parts have this bump out on them.
Is this supposed to be hollow, or have all the wood parts just happen to be rotted away in this area. The thing that makes me question rot is the fact that all the wood surface is still black as it was painted.

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17 Jan 2021 16:21 #41952 by prattm
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I will be emailing you today, thanks!

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16 Jan 2021 05:10 #41946 by ilikescars
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I have a bunch of cabriolet top parts left over from my project. Send me a list of needed stuff. I also have a parts blow up diagram. My email: [email protected]
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15 Jan 2021 13:40 #41940 by yorkgulch
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The part that is primer red is metal and is attached at the top edge to the rest of the body. Behind it is a wood cross support that fits into slots in the 2 vertical pieces. Picture to follow.

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15 Jan 2021 13:08 #41939 by prattm
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Thank you for that wood support structure picture! That is exactly what I was look for.
Is the area painted red at the top of the horizontal wood (between the two vertical pieces) covered in metal?
Any other photos you might have of your restoration would be a great help too

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15 Jan 2021 12:49 #41938 by prattm
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I will purchase those two pieces from you, definitely! (G3990RH ? G3991LH)
I'm also putting together a list of parts for the top I need.
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14 Jan 2021 21:30 #41928 by Curt Schulze
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Ya, I have one left and one right NOS.

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14 Jan 2021 19:53 #41927 by yorkgulch
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I think Curt has these.

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14 Jan 2021 15:45 #41926 by yorkgulch
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There are 2 metal brackets. The also support package tray.

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13 Jan 2021 20:18 #41921 by prattm
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Here are the other top parts that I have.
Note on the second photo the threaded area with the red lines going to it. What does this attach to in the shelf area in back? Does it just go through a wood piece with a hole in it, or is it into a metal part mounted to the wood structure in some way?
If anyone has photos of a cabriolet in the restoration phase that shows the wood work, please let me know.

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04 Jan 2021 19:36 #41884 by johnmereness
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Curt is 100% on the money.

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02 Jan 2021 20:50 #41873 by prattm
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02 Jan 2021 12:50 #41870 by Curt Schulze
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That plate is factory , access to the connections on top of the gas tank.

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01 Jan 2021 18:47 #41863 by prattm
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New question.
This is looking straight down in the trunk on the passenger side. Is this cover plate factory or is it something added through the years?
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30 Dec 2020 16:36 #41838 by prattm
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Sent.

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30 Dec 2020 15:59 #41837 by Curt Schulze
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send me an email, I'll send one to you.
[email protected]

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30 Dec 2020 14:47 - 30 Dec 2020 14:48 #41836 by prattm
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I checked every page of the 34 Parts book and mine does not have a blow up of the top. I did get this from the museum, but it was quite awhile back, it's not even bound like the prints they sell now.


If possible, can someone scan that diagram and make a pdf of it? It will probably answer a lot more questions...if not create new ones.

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29 Dec 2020 22:16 #41830 by Curt Schulze
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The parts, all appear to be 34-36 Auburn cabriolet. Do you have the blow up diagrams that are in the 34 parts book ? Most all of the top have been reproduced.

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29 Dec 2020 21:39 #41829 by prattm
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Like I said, the smaller of the two bows matches an outline I had around from an actual Auburn so I'm pretty sure it is valid. The larger bow, even if authentic is rather beat up and rotting. I have some top metal parts I will post later, maybe someone can post pictures after that of the pieces in place and what is used for the B-pillar. I'm sure the mechanism must bolt or hinge there.
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29 Dec 2020 20:45 #41827 by yorkgulch
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The flat wood with angle brackets in the corners is a cabriolet seat back support. Also gives support to door posts. Large bow looks like large middle bow. Can't tell on other bow it should be a channel with leather or something stackable in channel. If so its front bow. Should also have a bow that is a rod 3/8??. There is an illustration in back of most parts books for top. I think Curt has most top parts.

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29 Dec 2020 20:10 #41826 by prattm
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So as I dig into things I find more parts, but some of which I'm not sure if they go with this car. I have found some Ford parts in the boxes. I will post some pictures as I go along, if someone can verify or give direction I will be very grateful.

The batch I found today looks like a small top bow and a large top bow. I'm pretty sure the small one is Auburn as it matches a sketch I did off one in the early 2000's. (The small bow is incased in metal, wood showing on top) The large one has a metal piece hanging off it, but I don't know if they go together. The last pictures are of some wood pieces, I am assuming are from behind the seat??


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