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31 Oct 2020 16:48 #41362 by ilikescars
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Make sure you chase the treads on the frame horns (where the front bumper is bolted. In some cases, I have had to cut off the ends of the horns and welded-in new nuts and horn plates.
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30 Oct 2020 22:18 #41350 by Curt Schulze
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I have done 30+ body-off restorations in my 76+years. In every case excluding unit-body cars I have removed the body from the frame (after bracing it well) Mounted it between two engine stands that work as a rotisserie. I then do all of the crack repair, rust repair which includes sandblasting and filling all rust pits. Then continue priming sealing and paint.

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30 Oct 2020 17:16 #41344 by johnmereness
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Just weld up the damage on the frame and move on - you want your original frame on the car and ... The rear part of the frame has some pockets in them - they fill with dirt and rot - pretty common for anything other than a California car and even they have problems. Keep in mind the frame is sort of pioneering light weight to rigidity - new things often were not perfect ideas (aka had they not put some large holes in for access the problem would never have happened).

SIDENOTE: The chassis number is on the side of the frame rail on the passengers side frame rail under the fender a foot or so back from the wheel - protect it best you can - and then nicely tape over number, paint frame, and then clear coat the number blocked off area - this is the best way for "certification" as the club will sand on the number if it is not readily visible (a cost of doing business more or less).

Also, I would call the frame a more than satin black and a less than high gloss black. I actually took Curt's advice from eons ago and we shot rustolium commercial black from the paint gun - looks great.

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29 Oct 2020 16:10 #41328 by Curt Schulze
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I sent you a PM.

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29 Oct 2020 15:00 - 29 Oct 2020 15:01 #41327 by prattm
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Sorry, was taking stuff apart then getting ready for the hurricane that passed over. My experience with the hardware is roughly shown in the attached photo. The bolts whether they are large or small, are either eaten through or the threads are ruined from either exposure or the nut being removed. I am probably going to have to replace a lot of it, like it or not.

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24 Oct 2020 21:51 #41293 by Curt Schulze
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It is my experience that 'o' bolts are 33 and earlier. They will turn up on occasion (left-overs) on oil pans. Don't forget about 30's , they are very common in the engine compartment. I have documented that 653 of Al Gengnagel's. The 898 A & 8100A were / are very originals. O's and M's are prevalent there .

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24 Oct 2020 20:44 - 24 Oct 2020 20:52 #41290 by johnmereness
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EVERY BOLT IN CHASSIS IS UNIQUE TO THE CAR - SAVE THEM ALL AND CLEAN UP (BLACK PARKERIZED FINISH FOR THE BULK OF THEM). NUTS TEND TO BE GENERIC AND FROM THE HARDWARE STORE SHELF WORKS FINE GENERALLY. SOME UNIQUE LOCK WASHERS. SOME UNIQUE FLAT WASHERS TOO. YOU ARE LOOKING MOSTLY FOR BOLTS MARKED ON HEAD WITH AN "N", "W", or "O" and there are a few other variations too.

ALL Frame end horn damage is normal. The photo are bottom is correct. There is a casting extension for the bumper bracket too (just sort of bolts on with main bolt). The bumper bracket to frame bolts are unique to the car too.

Your cowl has a few extra holes - the horn relay is in wrong spot and the voltage regulator is in wrong spot/not correct.

Way too much wiring going on too.

For a wiring harness - speak to Marcia (pronounced Marsha) at Rhode Island Wire. And she can integrate turn signals if wanted.

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24 Oct 2020 18:50 #41286 by prattm
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Here is the air deflector plate pictures on and immediately after the last screw broke. Also there are two pictures of the frame where the bumper mounting bolts up. The passenger side looks like it's been beat to death. I am assuming the driver's side is correct. (?)

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24 Oct 2020 13:38 #41279 by Curt Schulze
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97% of the parts used in the 34 book are used in the 851 - 852 , 653 - 654 .
Give me a call, I can help you out with with some of your burning questions.
I am in the club directory.

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24 Oct 2020 13:16 #41278 by prattm
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Thanks, I do have that, not bound as a book but I do have it. I have been using that as I go, but as you stated before, those are drawings. Also, the pages I have reference the 1934 850X and 850Y, so I wasn't sure if everything was the same on the 851.
That being said, I am just trying to see what was actually built and is considered acceptable within the ACD community.

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24 Oct 2020 03:17 #41275 by Curt Schulze
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Gary, there may well be. Have you contacted the museum ??

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23 Oct 2020 22:25 #41274 by 1748 S
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This is some great information to have. Any chance there is the same information for the 36 or 37 Cords??? I can dream...


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23 Oct 2020 21:38 #41273 by Curt Schulze
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In case you do not have the 'bible'

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23 Oct 2020 21:13 #41271 by ilikescars
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Just occurred to me: If you have a parts book, go to page 20, and you will find an excellent picture of the frame and all it's parts
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23 Oct 2020 16:50 #41267 by prattm
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That's why I'm here asking questions and requesting pictures. I have an early 35, so I'm not entirely sure what is and what is not legit on my car. As you can tell, someone had their way with cutting and creating. You should see what they did to all the fenders. Plus, they cut the running board brackets off with a saw, and I'm being generous with the term cut. They look chewed on.

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23 Oct 2020 16:27 - 23 Oct 2020 16:32 #41266 by ilikescars
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I recognize the great workmanship of Curt Schulze in that frame picture
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23 Oct 2020 16:25 #41265 by Curt Schulze
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Be mindful that all of the pictures in the books of that nature are artist drawings, not photographs. They are only semi reliable at best.

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23 Oct 2020 16:25 #41264 by rlwardne
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I believe they are. No body was
Offering up any pics so I posted
ones you had sent me a few years back.

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23 Oct 2020 16:11 #41263 by prattm
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Thanks yorkgulch, I have some of those book pictures. That's why it was confusing me to see the other type of shock system. I'm just trying to figure out what was done to the car before we got it. For some reason, I still can't figure out why, they chopped into the fender support right below the bolt holding on the shock that is there. I can only imagine that they tried mounting a shorter one by creating a lower hole. Then later is appears they made a spacer to bring it to correct height. I will be removing the spacer and installing the correct length shock.
I promise, I have tons more questions coming.

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23 Oct 2020 15:05 #41261 by yorkgulch
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Auburn 851
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23 Oct 2020 14:38 #41259 by Curt Schulze
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The pix of the restored frame look ALOT like pix of my s/c cabriolet.....

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23 Oct 2020 12:09 #41257 by yorkgulch
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1934 and early 1935 to about sn 2200 had Monroe or Spicer tube shocks after that they went to Delco Lovejoy lever arm shocks (apparently couldn't pay for the tube shocks). The shocks are close to correct location for tube shocks but modified to fit your incorrect shocks. Ill look for a picture.

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23 Oct 2020 10:54 - 23 Oct 2020 10:56 #41256 by prattm
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Thank you very much rlwardne that helps a lot!
ilikescars I know there are parts of the rear frame, especially right in front of the rear axel that will need to be replaced (cut out and weld new pieces back in).
I'll try and get some pictures later today. The other problem I have is they welded the rear fenders into the body. I assume they did this because the bolt point in the wheel well are pretty rusted out. I think most of this was done in the late 50's early 60's. That's just a guess.
On a topic related to the pictures rlwardne sent. What is the deal with shock absorbers? I see some 35's with them, and others with what is shown in the recent pictures. I know the ones on my car are mounted incorrectly, but what is shown in the pictures by rlwardne?

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22 Oct 2020 23:06 #41254 by rlwardne
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Pics I have from Curt
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22 Oct 2020 22:43 - 22 Oct 2020 22:49 #41253 by ilikescars
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I would say that everything is OK from the firewall on forward. If you can jack up the car and take some pix of the underside, that would be helpful.
Perhaps you are looking at the body sheetmetal framework: That would be an easy fix...
What makes you think that the frame is bad? Are there parts cut off with a torch?
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22 Oct 2020 17:52 #41250 by prattm
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Both rear engine mounts are there.
I'm trying to remove the air deflector (didn't know what it was), but right now 5 screws are standing in my way.
It's actually a coupe, but like I said, from the firewall back it just gets worse. As soon as I figure out how many bolts are left holding what's left of the body on, I'll take some pictures of the rear.
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22 Oct 2020 16:06 #41249 by ilikescars
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If that is a cabriolet, I have many top parts for it.

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22 Oct 2020 16:02 - 22 Oct 2020 16:04 #41248 by ilikescars
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I don't see the rear engine mounting brackets. I have one bracket that I can offer to you, no charge.
Otherwise, the frame appears to be OK. If you remove the air-deflector in front, I can determine if all is well.
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22 Oct 2020 10:54 - 22 Oct 2020 10:59 #41246 by prattm
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Here is what I'm dealing with.
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21 Oct 2020 21:48 - 21 Oct 2020 21:48 #41243 by prattm
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Mike I agree, but I am also looking for pictures for adding the missing parts as well. Currently from the firewall forward is completely off. (not by my doing, that's how it came) I'm currently still trying to find all the bolts hold the firewall back (body and all) to the frame. There is considerable rust both in the body and rails and the frame itself. I'm trying not to destroy something I may need later, even if it's just to duplicate it.

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21 Oct 2020 20:22 #41241 by mikespeed35
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It might be easier to post pictures of your chassis and let people comment on wrong details.
CORDiallyMike

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21 Oct 2020 14:44 #41234 by prattm
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I am beginning a tear down and rebuild of my Auburn 851 and I know there are things someone added to the chassis long ago that should not be there. Can someone post some chassis pics without body (can be old or new). I'm just trying to figure out what definitely needs to go and what is authentic.

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