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Advice on buying #2
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The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
Be of Good Cheer
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Also, sort of like this: A fellow called me wanting a 1935 or 1936 Packard Twelve/12 Convertible Sedan. I said your lucky day as I have a client with a very nice original that you may upgrade or just enjoy using it as is for 125K and I can wrap it up and ship it your way. His reply was he wanted an unrestored one to restore and he would just get one cheaper. Well, nice thought, but there are like 10 of them on the globe - he will have to find something else as no supply and of those 10 most were restored a long time ago (aka most exceed 125K with most around 200K + or - and very restored). I suppose he can call all the Twelve/12 owners and convertible sedan owners in CCCA and Packard Club, but doubt they have any secrets. And if one goes up for sale unrestored it is not going to go cheap regardless - unless someone tries to steal it way from someone unsuspecting/uneducated on what it is but again a true needle in a haystack. My point is when you get to things where there are one or close to none/zero/0 then market tends to be somewhat a loose cannon.
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Private message me your phone number and I'll give you a call re Salon vs Custom speedsters.
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Also, there should be a detailed report available via RM Auctions (much more so than the auction brochure.)
Randy Ema may be able to help.
And Frank Cek restored one of the few Authentic Salon 12 Boattails.
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I know this could never be a Concours winner, but I'm looking for a beautiful car I can drive and enjoy; I just don't want to pay more than it's worth.
Any other comments would definitely be welcome.
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Phrased another way: it would have been a more authentic car done as a Custom as that is what its undercarriage is ?
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Having had in an Estate/bankruptcy a fairly well known 1932 Custom 12 Boattail (a 12 Custom Sedan that had an 8 Boattail body on it), I was always told they "did it right", but I recall standing next to Frank Cek regarding that a Salon chassis/suspension is a unique beast and you cannot get to an authentic Salon car from a Custom.
I am not sure it works like that as to fenders - front fenders to a Salon 12 Sedan verses a Salon 12 Speedster are most likely same or only slightly modified and if so question would be if those modifications were done. Obviously, the rear fenders would have to be heavily modified as a sedan fender is a mile difference from a Boattail.
On 1935 and 1936 the frames are modified for Speedster, but they are still a core 35/36 - so question would be if they carried out that modification properly. And, assume the same question applies to an earlier car.
I hope this helps to getting to the right questions and answers.
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A '33 Speedster will be auctioned next week by RMSothebys in Auburn. I know it's not numbers-matching, not originally a Salon (wrong fenders), and a bit of a Frankenstein with the AL block, but it's also likely to sell for less than half of an original 12 Speedster.
My question is: Does this configuration reduce its value even more than that? It may be the only 12 Speedster (my dream car) I can actually afford, but I don't want to make a big mistake.
Thanks much.
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