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27 Aug 2013 20:05 #25822 by balinwire
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Turns out one of the 25 leading artists in the world drove a Graham, Man Ray lived in the states 40-51, he may have owned this during this time.
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30 Jun 2012 21:21 #23124 by Chris Summers
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The Graham-Hupp history I wrote for last year's Reunion, "Brother Can You Spare A Die?," is being included in the St. John's program this year. I wrote three pages and could have written a book. It is a big, complicated, fascinating story with a lot of interesting characters...and, in Cord tradition, a lot of detail changes as production went along.

I have to miss St. John's, but if you can make it, go - in addition to the great cars Kellie Janousek got out for Auburn last year, there will be other surprises.

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30 Jun 2012 21:11 #23123 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

The Skylark and Hollywood site suggests that either 31 or 32 Skylarks were built by Hupp. I suppose that the records of a company [i:2lr3hct7]in extremis[/i:2lr3hct7] are understandably a little hazy.

hupmobileskylark.com/Skylark_Production1.html

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30 Jun 2012 20:02 #23122 by alsancle
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The white car above was one of the very few Skylarks built by Hupp by hand in 1939. The later Skylarks built by Graham have the tail lights on the outboard. I'm not sure of the exact number produced by Hupp in 1939 but want to say less than a couple dozen. Perhaps a Hupp guru could chime in.

Btw didn't some of the very last Cords have the tailights on the outside of the body?

And finally, if anyone is in the area my dad and I are bringing our Holllywood Conv to St Johns at the end of July. Swing by and say hi.

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30 Jun 2012 17:24 #23121 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

I came across the following photos of a Hupmobile Skylark alleged to have been found in a barn about 2002 or so. I don't know anything about the car's whereabouts or condition today.








I found the following items to be of particular interest:

1) The tail lights are located Westchester-style in the trunk lid, not outside of the trunk opening in the rear body panel; and

2) The wipers are located Cord-style at the top of the windshields, not at the base of the windshields in the cowl.

Pictures I have seen of Graham Hollywoods have the tail lights located to the sides of the trunk opening and the wipers located in tranmissions placed on the cowl.

Does anyone know if the tail light and wiper locations are definitive identification traits distinguishing a Hupp Skylark from a Graham Hollywood?

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And, oh yeah, I'd like to own this car...

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21 Aug 2011 00:43 #20776 by alsancle
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I think these were only displaying for me in the earlier post.





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19 Aug 2011 18:39 #20766 by alsancle
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For some photo Ops and advertising Graham used the Hupp conv and called it a Hollywood.

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19 Aug 2011 16:57 #20765 by Tom Georgeson
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The last picture of the convertible is a Hupp Skylark, not a Graham, regardless of what the caption on the picture says. The Skylarks had a painted grill in their hoods like this while the Grahams were chrome. I have had several Hollywoods and they always got attention.

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19 Aug 2011 12:28 #20762 by alsancle
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I was re-reading this thread and noticed we hadn't mentioned any of the Hollywood/Skylark Convertibles which I think are attractive.










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13 Jul 2007 13:44 #7485 by alsancle
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Josh Malks wrote: Blown Cord was timed by Autocar magazine in Britain (fussy folks) in 1937 at 13.2 seconds 0-60, top speed of 102.27. Even the unblown 810 hit over 92mph in their tests the previous year.

The Cord's 0-60 time is slowed by its leisurely gearshift. A "stick-shift" Cord could no doubt do better. Ask Roger Von Bergen or Henry Portz.

And I do think that the Graham Hollywood is hot-looking, good-performing vehicle. It's just not quite a Cord.


Josh - I was going to point out that the biggest issue with the Cord's acceleration was the vacum shift. I wonder how much a mechanical setup more like a L29 would shave some time off the acceleration figures? Graham throughout the 30s did some pretty neat stuff. I give them a lot of credit considering they were basically farm equipment manufacturers. They did very well during the war and produced the Kasier Frazier cars after the war. Renamed as the Madison Square Garden Corp they are still around I believe. I wonder how many other pre-war area car manufacturers still exist?

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13 Jul 2007 00:43 #7480 by balinwire
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And I do think that the Graham Hollywood is hot-looking, good-performing vehicle. It's just not quite a Cord.


Must have been a red headed stepchild in its day.

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12 Jul 2007 23:51 #7479 by Josh Malks
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Blown Cord was timed by [i:3uypjpl5]Autocar[/i:3uypjpl5] magazine in Britain (fussy folks) in 1937 at 13.2 seconds 0-60, top speed of 102.27. Even the unblown 810 hit over 92mph in their tests the previous year.

The Cord's 0-60 time is slowed by its leisurely gearshift. A "stick-shift" Cord could no doubt do better. Ask Roger Von Bergen or Henry Portz.

And I do think that the Graham Hollywood is hot-looking, good-performing vehicle. It's just not quite a Cord.

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12 Jul 2007 14:20 #7474 by alsancle
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Josh Malks wrote: What was the Graham's 0-60 time?


The Graham is significantly lighter and the blown engine (124 hp) gives a good power to weight ratio. I'm not sure if this is completely accurate but it looks close. Obviously the Cord is a timeless classic. But I consider the Hollywoods to be kind of cool.

SPECIFICATIONS

TOP SPEED
89 mph (142.4 km/h)
0-60 mph (0-96 KM/H) 14.6 sec
ENGINE TYPE In-line six
DISPLACEMENT 218 ci (3,572 cc)
TRANSMISSION 3-speed manual
MAXIMUM POWER 124 bhp (92 kW) @ 4,000 rpm
MAXIMUM TORQUE 182 lb ft (247 Nm) @ 2,400 rpm
WEIGHT 3,240 lb (1,472 kg)
ECONOMY 17 mpg (6.01 km/l)

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12 Jul 2007 03:08 #7468 by Josh Malks
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Bill is too kind. Moonshadow is a stock 810. So there are blown Cords that are certainly more powerful. What I have been lucky enough to inherit from previous owners and restorers, and to maintain, is a fine balance of smoothness, comfort and performance. It's far from perfect, but it works.

I do not doubt that the fact that this Cord is driven regularly has played an important role in its longevity and reliability. Sure, something may break or get out of adjustment, but any piece of 70+ year old machinery requires some attention.

Drive your Cord (or Auburn or Duesenberg). You will be happy and the car will be happy.

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12 Jul 2007 02:47 #7467 by Bill Hummel
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Moonshadow is definately the smoothest and most powerful Cord that I have ever been in.

In fact, Josh has the confidence of knowing that other motorists pass him only with [i:39t3hvik]his [/i:39t3hvik]permission ...

And Graham's don't get his permission!

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12 Jul 2007 02:41 #7466 by Josh Malks
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Moonshadow would appreciate it f you would clarify that it was his [i:e9ptx8d8]performance[/i:e9ptx8d8] that impressed you, not a lack of safety, roadability, comfort, etc. :-)

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12 Jul 2007 00:56 #7462 by Bill Hummel
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alsancle wrote: The biggest difference between the Hollywood and the Skylark was Graham got the supercharged 6 and the Hupp did not. Not that I want to start a battle :-) but I think a Graham will take a Cord up to 60 mph.


Not Josh's Cord! I have ridden in the Moonshadow a number of times and that thing scares the hell out of me!

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12 Jul 2007 00:10 #7461 by Josh Malks
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What was the Graham's 0-60 time?

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11 Jul 2007 23:44 #7459 by alsancle
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The biggest difference between the Hollywood and the Skylark was Graham got the supercharged 6 and the Hupp did not. Not that I want to start a battle :-) but I think a Graham will take a Cord up to 60 mph.

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11 Jul 2007 23:20 #7458 by Josh Malks
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Could well be. I can't see that close anymore!

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11 Jul 2007 20:34 #7454 by Tom Georgeson
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I believe that the bumper guards were different.

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11 Jul 2007 00:17 #7447 by Josh Malks
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The only exterior diffs between the Skylark and the Hollywood were nameplates and badges. Plus, both grilles were chrome on the Graham, the upper one was painted on the Hupp.

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11 Jul 2007 00:14 #7446 by Chris Summers
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ABOVE: The Graham Hollywood
BELOW: The Hupp Skylark (courtesy of trombinoscar)


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10 Jul 2007 23:41 #7445 by balinwire
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Is there a picture of a Skylark to compare sheet metal, did they share front end designs?

Hey Bill, thats not a Texas license plate on the PU truck!

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10 Jul 2007 21:51 #7444 by Chris Summers
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A CHEVY???

You...you...TRAITOR!

:D jk :D

I think the disappearing headlights and hood louvers contributed a lot to the "modern" look of the Cord. When Graham replaced them with "typical" features it put the design back in 1937. Still a good-looking barge, though.

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10 Jul 2007 18:42 #7440 by Bill Hummel
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It's amazing how the Graham Hollywood looks more dated than the Cord. Were they built this way just to be less expensive?

Notice the grill on the Hollywood. Very 1940ish! Looks like the front-end of my 1941 Chevy pickup!

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10 Jul 2007 11:12 #7439 by Josh Malks
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On this date in 1940 the Graham-Paige Motors Corporation reopened its factory to build a final run of Series 133 Graham Hollywood Custom sedans using the Cord 810/812 body dies.


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