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- Dutch Jacobs
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Duplicating the body itself would be the difficult part, that and the interior.
The frame could be welded square bar tube with or without a roll cage.
Undoubtably a project like that would be an eye catcher, but it would essentially amount to designing an entire car from scratch - even if an original was used as a mold for the overall planform.
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balinwire wrote: Roy,
There may be no other way to keep a Cord running than to engine swap as there are no Lycoming engines in abundance. There were many owners who installed different power plants and that?s what is generally done to keep them alive. Beats the other option!
I would sure rather admire how did they get that to work and there are many fine years of motoring left. Mine has the block repaired as most did.
Here are pictures of the underside of my Cord 810 conversion.
www.hummel.com/readyforauburn/default0002.htm
Picture #88 is particularly good. It shows the tubular reinforcement that was added to hold the Turbo-hydromatic 400 transmission. If you look closely, you may be able to see where the new front-end was grafted onto the Cord. You can also see the dual exhaust and modern leaf springs that were added.
Current engine is a Olds 455. It runs hot, but it runs reliably. The car is very solid with little or no flexing of the body. I understand the problem was very noticable in the Cabriolets and that occasionally the doors would fly open.
I am a little sensitve to ribbing from other members about smoking my rear tires, but here are the pictures. Here is how mine was done!
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After that company went out of business another group manufactured cars. There were 13 or so made with the same body molds as the 8/10 and then the body was widened. After that they were set on Chrysler and Ford drivetrains. I've heard about 383, 440 Mopar and 289, 302, and 428 Ford engines being used. Evidently one even had a 426 Hemi! These cars are farther way from the look of a original. The headlights do not retract and it is pretty expensive to modify them so they do. These are SAMCO (note the M) replicas. I've seem them selling for $7-10,000 for good condition cars and a headlight modification job could easily run $3K. The 8/10ths cars bring more as they are more original looking and more desirable.
As far as originals, I recently saw a sedan being advertised that ran and drove (not sure how well) for $25K. Unless you are a mechanic and enjoy tinkering with cars to keep them running a replica would probably be best. The original Cord would not like stop and go trafic because of the issues Balinwire stated but will easily go 80mph on the open road. Unless you want to do the work yourself, you'd be money ahead to buy a completed car that is close to the condition you'll be happy with. It is extremely time consuming to restore '60s and '70s cars......much less one 30-40 years older!
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balinwire wrote: All in all don?t worry if the gauges are not perfect ...
Did you say gauges? I have some extra gauges and they work! Put me on your list of potential suppliers.
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You mentioned you need a daily driver. There are a few considerations when purchasing a vehicle. Most importantly is that it does what you need. You mentioned the Samco and that would be great for looks and economy and relatively inexpensive next to an open original, plus in New York the glass fenders would hardly be bothered. Also parallel parking would be easy.
You need a daily driver, nix an original. They are great but don?t idle to well in traffic as the transmission gears are lubed by a pump that only flows when the car is rolling.
I would not rush into a purchase but when you find the right car you will know.
I have wished for years that was a completely glass sedan body kit. A total hot rod or racecar can be admired for what it is. As long as someone has a vision and brings something into running condition. Not at the cost of damaging an original car as so many fine examples of Fords and Chevy?s that have had engine transplants.
Original cars are wonderful and I would certainly consider one, but there may be more maintenance issues. They are rewarding in other ways such as preserving history. They are just really old and have the utmost care.
There may be no other way to keep a Cord running than to engine swap as there are no Lycoming engines in abundance. I would hate to consider the thought but it is always in my mind if I threw a rod and totaled the motor but don?t let me jinx myself by mentioning disaster. There were many owners who installed different power plants and that?s what is generally done to keep them alive. Beats the other option! I would sure rather admire how did they get that to work and there are many fine years of motoring left. Mine has the block repaired as most did.
I would get a car to your taste, not the required norm. Buy a car for you, not considering the economics. Sometimes it is more expensive to fix a bad car than to get good from the go. Price swings will be certain as the market is fickle. There is just a limited supply, as there has been since the inception, with a high demand.
When there is a market demand the consumer usually is delivered new products they like. Detroit has never been very exciting in design in years and really hasn?t used cues of retro until lately such as the new Thunderbird and the new 53 grilles on the new Chevy offering. Those new lines are not as extreme as any used on a Cord.
If the automakers used 37 810 fender cues and similar body patterns on a 2008 and put it on display it would rock the showrooms as did the originals.
All in all don?t worry if the gauges are not perfect, just find a solid car that suits you, any car made out of a coffin with some fenders and a license tag hung on has GOT to be cool.
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Your car looks beautiful. If I may ask, what would I expect to pay for a convertible conversion like yours. (if I could find one).
Roy
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You either like them or you don't. Glenn Pray is a wonderful guy. He is one of the men responsible for keeping Cord and Auburn cars alive. Many of the parts on my car came from Glenn Pray, including my engine-turned instrument panel!
There are very few full-sized Cord replicas made out of fiberglass. I didn't think there were any until I saw one or two on eBay. These can be quite expensive and I understand that replicas are hard to resell.
Personally, I would hold out for a real Cord that you can love and fix up. If you are a good mechanic, or know one, then a real Cord is an excellent driver. Just ask any of the Cord owners in our Club!
My Cord 810 is a very good driver. I can go 100 mph in mine. Mine is what is known as a conversion. In the 60's and 70's, there were a number of articles published on how to keep old Cords running. The idea was to convert them to rear-wheel drive and to do what is called a front-end clip.
The Cord 810's were uni-body construction and had a stub-frame from the firewall forward. The idea was that a dealer would be able to easily swap out an entire front-end of a Cord in case of engine or transmission failure. In reality, this was not easy to do, but it was possible!
My Cord has the front end of a 53 Cadillac (I think) and it has an Olds 455 big block engine in it. Mine was destined to become a hotrod. I am rapidly (everything is relative you know) restoring it to original specifications.
The purists among us don't care for conversions. I think the only reason they let me in the Auburn parade is because I knew E.L. Cord pretty well.
Personally, I like my conversion. My first Cord was a show car and I was scared to drive it. It was too expensive and I never turned the engine on once. I lent it to the Auburn Cord Duesenberg museum. Here it is:
20 years later I sold it and swore I would not buy another one. Well, I was wrong. This one came to me in a very roundabout way that I can only consider fate. A conversion is worth less than a 100% complete Cord. I purchased this one for about the same price as a replica and now I have a real Cord!
All car projects have to start somewhere. Some are rusted out hulks, others like this are showstoppers and can carry me safely to the liquor store on weekends! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt="" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> My only regret is that I never drove my first Cord. If I had just driven it one time, I would have been a member of this Club 20 years ago ....
Here is a site where you can see my reclamation project. My goal is to return the car to original specs. My last challange will be under the hood!
www.cordhaven.com
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