Rudolph Valentino Duesenberg Model "A" ?

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14 May 2013 02:40 #25187 by silverghost
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Does any hstorian here know if Rudolph Valentino ever actually ever owned a Duesenberg Model "A" ?

A number of online sites claim he did~~~
But~~~
Did He really own a Model "A" ?
Or was he just photographed once next to one, like many other stars ?
There is a famous online photo of Valentino getting out of a model "A" Duesenberg he is said to have owned~
But it has D.C. plates on it !

Donna Hill ~~~author of several books on Valentino~~~
Rudolph Valentino: The Silent Idol ,
&
Falcon Lair (Valentino's Home Estate) website owner

http://www.rudolph-valentino.com/

Donna Hill author, & Valentino Super Fan, & I have been in contact trying to trace cars that Valentino may have once acually owned in his short lifetime; sadly cut short at age 31 in New York City by a massive internal infection.

Donna has a large collection of Valentino photos & letters, memoribilia, & info. etc.
She also knows some of his present day estate heirs.

There are a number of extant autos today said to have once been owned by the silent screen actor.
He is photographed in front of, & beside, many autos in many existing old photos.
But Did he actually own any, or All, of these autos ?
That is the real question ?

He did own several Voisin autos~~
They are listed in his estate probate legal papers

And Valentino is claimed to have owned~~
A noted Springfield Rolls-Royce towncar long displayed in the Luray Caverns Auto & Transportation Museum .


WE have some question in our minds as to IF he really ever acually owned, or ever took delivery of, this Springfield R~R towncar Caverns museum auto.
It appears to have been built just before, or shortly after Valentino's untimely passing in Aug 1926 at the early age of 31.
The Luray Caverns museum also claims it's now shrunk , aged, alligatored & severely cracked Nitro-cellulose pait job was originally done in this cracked manner~~~to simulate aged leather~
WE all know this is really Not the case~~~It's just old weathered & severely alligatored cracked paint ! ! !

Donna Hill states that there is no mention of a Rolls~Royce, or Duesenberg "A" , in his estate's probate legal papers.

Does Rudolph Valentino's name actually appear in the Duesenberg factory build & Duesenberg "A" ownership records ?.

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14 May 2013 15:04 #25188 by RandyEma
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Brad. There are only rumors and stories existing but no proof. Randy

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14 May 2013 16:23 #25189 by Tom_Parkinson
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Hi,

Way back in the dust bins of my memory, I have a recollection of the ACD Museum having displayed a massive Isotta-Fraschini auto. It was stated to have been Valentino's car. I recall that it had a SPLENDID cobra's head radiator ornament.

I would have built a garage to house it, if I could have figured out a way to sneak it out of there!

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14 May 2013 22:31 #25191 by landmark
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Tom_Parkinson wrote: Hi,

Way back in the dust bins of my memory, I have a recollection of the ACD Museum having displayed a massive Isotta-Fraschini auto. It was stated to have been Valentino's car. I recall that it had a SPLENDID cobra's head radiator ornament.

I would have built a garage to house it, if I could have figured out a way to sneak it out of there!

--Tom


Hello Tom,

with the name Rudolph Valentino I had allways a Isotta-Fraschini CC with white tires in my mind, but I don't know if it really belongs to Mr. Valentino.

Here I found a picture of that car: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/anhn_hehn/3399112379/

Matt

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15 May 2013 00:24 #25192 by silverghost
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Thank's Randy, Tom, & Matt ~

Donna Hill does indeed have estate records of his Isotta~Fraschini which he indeed did own at his death .
I forgot to mention this 1924 Isotta~Fraschini formal limo auto.

http://rudolph-valentino.com/fl-19.htm

He & His his former wife did also own two Voisin autos which he still owned at his untimely passing.
Here is one Voisin photographed at his home.
Note: (The second Voisin also still exists in a collection today).

http://rudolph-valentino.com/fl-20.htm

The Springfield Rolls~Royce towncar at Luray Caverns Museum, & and the Model "A" Duesenberg he was supposed to have owned both cannot be confirmed in any of his estate's probate, nor auction records.

Rudolpf Valentino always used that famous large Cobra snake head radiator mascot on all his cars.
It was his trademark !
He wore a cobra head pinky ring, and also had cobra door lock castings on doors, among other cobra styled items in his home.
Late in his movie career, I believe 1925, he actually made a movie titled "Cobra"

Both the Isotta~Fraschini's , and the two Voisins still exist in collections today.

Donna said that Valentino was a "spend-thift" that went through tons of cash $$$ !

It is also claimed by Donna & others that Valentino actually worked-on, & took his own cars completely apart; and put them back together again..
There is a famous photo of Valentino in coveralls "working" on a very large rear end diff. gear assembly.
In the photo he seems to be mesuring the top rear gear housing's fill plug with a caliper ??
Why on earth would he measuring that fill plug ?
To Me~This seems more like a posed Hollywood publicity photo shot to me !
I do not know if this mechanical ability was pure Hollywood fiction hype; or if he really Was mehanically inclined ? !
Donna insists that he worked on his own autos.

It would appear that if a Hollywood Star was photographed near , or in, any fine expensive auto it was assumed by the public that it was their own car.
As we all know this was not always the case with Hollywood studio press office publicity photo shots.

I suspect more cars were attributed to Valentino than he ever actually owned.
He seems to be connected to many fine expensive 1926 model year autos.
But in fact that was the year & Aug. Summer he died !

Though he ordered & owned that 1924 Isotta~Fraschini formal limo pictured on Nancy Hill's great Falcon Lair Valentino fan website, & also mentioned in his legal probate papers,~~it is not known IF the later 1926 Isotta~Faschini Conv. Coupe' pictured in the other post at Blackhawk's Paris Retromobile booth was actually delvered before his untimely early death at age 31.
'He may never have actually ridden in it~~~as well as never have actually ridden in that 1925 Rolls~Royce museum towncar ~~~
Who really Knows for sure ? ?

In my late Springfiiield R~R expert friend John Webb DeCampi's book "Rolls~Royce in America" Valentino's name is indeed listed in the back pages of the Springfield R~R records as having indeed ordered a Springfield Rolls~Royce Silver Ghost~~~
This Springfield R~R is also pctured in Arthur Soutters book "The American Rolls~Royce"
But~~~Did he live long enough to actually ever take personal delivery of the R~R in Calif ?
We suspect he did not~~~as it is not listed in the probate, or estate auction , records ? !

It was also noted in his probate estate auction records that he owned a Ford touring car & also a small truck at the time of his death.

There is NO mention of ANY Rolls~Royce auto in his legal probate, or estate auction, records~~~according to Donna Hill & Valentino's surviving legal papers.
Perhapps the Luray Caverns Transportation/ Carriage & Auto Museum can shed more light on this 1925/1926 Springfield R~R Silver Ghost auto's Rudolph Valentino ownership history ? ? ?
Do they have actual documented PROOF that he indeed did once own it ?
Did he in fact order it~~~and Not actually ever pay for it & thus never took delivery ?
He is known to have done this with other autos before !

His legal estate probate & auction records do NOT list this car at the time of his untimely 1926 death !

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15 May 2013 02:05 #25193 by silverghost
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I was told that there is a fellow who posted some time back on the AACA forum who claims to own the old trunk & inside fitted luggage that was once mounted on Valentino's Model "A" Duesenberg~~~

But~~~
Can he actually prove it ? ? ?

If you search Google images under Valentino Duesenberg there is a photo of him near a model "A" with 1923 D.C. plates .
I believe it is on the HAMB forum ?
But Valentino would Not have had D.C. plates on his car !

There is still yet another Isotta~Fraschini formal Towncar, now in Switzerland, that is claimed to have been once owned by Valentino ?
But he was onlyknown to have owned One Isotta~Fraschini formal town car at the time of his passing.

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