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Steve Derus wrote: The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.
If it car does indeed have a reserve ~~~That would be quite unusual for the B-J auction as for the last half dozen years, or so, ALL cars had to be consigned at B-J Scottsdale with NO reserve~~~or B-J would NOT accept the consignment.
With this No reserve policy B-J always wins as ALL cars sell. ~~~ While seller/consigners often loose their shirt on many of the B-J auction no reserve sales.
What REALLY happens is the seller ends up buying his own car just to keep it. Then he ends up paying BOTH sides of the commissions. Not widely known by the public.
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original SJ
one of a kind
surviror quality looks excellent
very interesting history. Mrs. Evans must have loved the car to ship it to Europe for use on her trips there.
I've always been an admirer of Dueseys with the polished body accent molding.
I'd guess the hood fit is a fairly simple repair either alignment or adjustment, but then I don't know how the SJ hoods operate.
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The Tourster was in fact directly sold to Howard Hughes himself who owned Hughes Aircraft Co., and several dozen other large corporations.
My great uncle William Hunter sold this car directly to Hughes as he was a close business associate of Howard. Howard may have titled it in the Aircraft Company name & used company funds to pay for it~~~who knows ?
After all he Owned Hughes Aircraft !
Of all the companies in Hughes empire the Aircraft company was his favorite.
It was said by old Hunter family lore that Hughes drove the car for some time himself before, & early, in the war period , then like every other auto he ever owned he quickly grew tired of it and had Hughes Aircraft Co. use it to tow experimental test airframes & so-called "Gliders" with it's aft coachwork chopped-off !
I often wonder if Hughes Aircraft had any photos of this auto in aircraft towing form with the aft body chopped-off ?
I would sure like to see one !
Over his lifetime Howard Hughes owned dozens of fine autos. He gave several Springfield Rolls~Royce Silver Ghosts, & Phantom I, autos to various girlfriends over the years.
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Duesenberg @ RM's Amelia Island auction:
J-530 (S)J Walker CC hammered at $ 4.1 million!
J-444 Derham Tourster sold at (only?) $ 750000
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here I have two prices from todays Gooding auction @Amelia Island
J-500 (orig. J-559) Rollston JN Sedan hammered @ $ 540000
J-338? Le Baron Convertible Sedan hammered @ $ 425000
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Chris Summers wrote: Hammered sold at $1.2 million.
Thank you Chris!
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landmark wrote: Hello,
next weekend is auction-time in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Two nice "open" J's are offered by Gooding and RM.
www.goodingco.com/car/1933-duese ... ible-coupe
www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r163
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does someone know the auction-result for the Derham Tourster @RM auctions?
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next weekend is auction-time in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Two nice "open" J's are offered by Gooding and RM.
www.goodingco.com/car/1933-duese ... ible-coupe
www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r163
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here is another auction result for a Duesenberg J:
1931 Model J Murphy Beverly (J-495 ?) @Dragone auction Hammerprice was at $ 1.25 Million (plus Buyer Premium) Published estrimate was $ 1.5 - 2 Millions
www.liveauctioneers.com/item/116 ... hy-beverly
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The Kollins-LaGrande doesn't use a J chassis, just an engine, so it isn't quite in the same category.
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landmark wrote: Hello,
at the Houston Classic Auction, May 5th, there is a so called 1932 Duesenberg Model J LWB Custom Speedster under offer (without reserve).
In my eyes, the body-design is one of the ugliest, ever mounted on a Model J chassis :rolleyes:
www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/au ... D=70&id=44
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Hello,
Worldwide Auctioneers published a salesprice about $ 297000 for that car.
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I must agree with Matt
Hopefully the new owner will right the wrongs of the former owner and finds an appropriate body for this Duesenberg.
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landmark wrote: Hello,
at the Houston Classic Auction, May 5th, there is a so called 1932 Duesenberg Model J LWB Custom Speedster under offer (without reserve).
In my eyes, the body-design is one of the ugliest, ever mounted on a Model J chassis :rolleyes:
www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/au ... D=70&id=44
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Matt,
I couldn't agree more. The throne car isn't much to look at either, but at least the nose is traditional.
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at the Houston Classic Auction, May 5th, there is a so called 1932 Duesenberg Model J LWB Custom Speedster under offer (without reserve).
In my eyes, the body-design is one of the ugliest, ever mounted on a Model J chassis :rolleyes:
www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/au ... D=70&id=44
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That was a [i:16sahhhs]fun[/i:16sahhhs] auction to watch, with quite a few cars sold at eyepopping prices.
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Chris Summers wrote: The problem is that these cars risk being overshadowed by the once-in-a-lifetime sales of a lot of other great iron at about the same time - a Pierce Silver Arrow at B-J, the Moretti Packards at Gooding, and...well, everything in the Milhous collection. If you are a collector of major 1930s iron - what Bob Roller describes as "everything worth being caught dead in" - and not totally ACD faithful, there's a lot of opportunities not to be missed.
RM is pushing the Milhouses' J-208 / 2223 as the Dolores Del Rio Car. I believe it was actually owned at one time by her husband, Cedric Gibbons, the award-winning stage designer who created the Oscar statuette, and I've never seen anything identifying him as the original owner or any indication that he owned it very long.
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RM published a salesprice of $ 990000 (incl. Buyers premium?) for J 208. The estimate was about $ 900000 - $ 1200000
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silverghost wrote:
Steve Derus wrote: The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.
If it car does indeed have a reserve ~~~That would be quite unusual for the B-J auction as for the last half dozen years, or so, ALL cars had to be consigned at B-J Scottsdale with NO reserve~~~or B-J would NOT accept the consignment.
With this No reserve policy B-J always wins as ALL cars sell. ~~~ While seller/consigners often loose their shirt on many of the B-J auction no reserve sales.
B-J press release announced a 99.69 percent sell-through rate for the entire week. This obviously includes every car bought back by its consigner... which, based on numbers I've heard in the past, could be as high as 40 percent.
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alsancle wrote: There are some real heavy duty cars in that museum.
I have not known about that museum before. You are right looks like there are a lot of "car-jewels" to see.
The SJ La Grande DCP they display there is one of my favorit Duesenbergs.
It is not so far away from here, I think I going to visit it this year.
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Chris Summers wrote: I normally refrain from mentioning owners directly here as it has got me into trouble before. That said, the Louwman Museum (The Hague) shows the car prominently on their website, which is a fairly public admission of ownership.
Thank you Chris,
I found it on the museum page, it looks like the car is repainted.
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Chris Summers wrote: J-355 / 2225, coming out of Europe. It was black with polished aluminum moldings when last seen at auction.
Hello Chris,
Bonhams wrote in its car-discription that the car was displayed in an european museum/collection. Do you know where/in which european country that was?
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landmark wrote:
Hello,
and one more, at the RM "Milhous-Collection" auction in Florida in febuary
www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r111
B.t.w. (according to the pictures) a nice looking car.
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Hello,
one more Duesenberg Model J Murphy Convertible Sedan is for sale in January @Bonhams auction.
www.bonhams.com/usa/auction/19680/lot/334/
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I agree that BJ has had a no reserve auction policy for a few years but it seems they are now making some exceptions.
Here's a link to the online description of the Duesenberg, note in the column marked "SALE TYPE" that it says "reserve".
www.barrett-jackson.com/applicat ... f22%2f2012
There's an Isotta that has a reserve also, and I think a few others.
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Steve Derus wrote: The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.
If it car does indeed have a reserve ~~~That would be quite unusual for the B-J auction as for the last half dozen years, or so, ALL cars had to be consigned at B-J Scottsdale with NO reserve~~~or B-J would NOT accept the consignment.
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Decades ago B-J started their auction business selling Full Classics & Real Antiques.
In my opinion B-J is NOT the auction with which you want to consign your full Classic .
They are now basically a musclecar & hotrod/streetrod/restomod auction for what I call the more money that brains crowd.
Classics consigned at B-J usually sell for very little money.
Classic & Antique/Brass Era buyers usually don't attend B-J in any large numbers; if at all.
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Chris Summers wrote: The problem is that these cars risk being overshadowed by the once-in-a-lifetime sales of a lot of other great iron at about the same time - a Pierce Silver Arrow at B-J, the Moretti Packards at Gooding, and...well, everything in the Milhous collection. If you are a collector of major 1930s iron - what Bob Roller describes as "everything worth being caught dead in" - and not totally ACD faithful, there's a lot of opportunities not to be missed.
RM is pushing the Milhouses' J-208 / 2223 as the Dolores Del Rio Car. I believe it was actually owned at one time by her husband, Cedric Gibbons, the award-winning stage designer who created the Oscar statuette, and I've never seen anything identifying him as the original owner or any indication that he owned it very long.
Hello Chris,
I expect that there will be some more "one-in-a-lifetime-sales" coming up in the nearer future...
According to an article (Taking the hig road) by Dwight Schooling at "Automobile Quarterly" Volume 30 Number 4 (Summer 1992) the car (J-208) was, as you mentioned, owned by Cedric Gibbons, his wife Dolores del Rio owned a Muphy Town car (J-393?).
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