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10 May 2013 14:59 #25164 by Bill Hummel
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silverghost wrote:

Steve Derus wrote: The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.


If it car does indeed have a reserve ~~~That would be quite unusual for the B-J auction as for the last half dozen years, or so, ALL cars had to be consigned at B-J Scottsdale with NO reserve~~~or B-J would NOT accept the consignment.
With this No reserve policy B-J always wins as ALL cars sell. ~~~ While seller/consigners often loose their shirt on many of the B-J auction no reserve sales.


What REALLY happens is the seller ends up buying his own car just to keep it. Then he ends up paying BOTH sides of the commissions. Not widely known by the public.

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09 May 2013 22:27 #25163 by Steve Derus
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I agree great looking car with a lot going for it....
original SJ
one of a kind
surviror quality looks excellent
very interesting history. Mrs. Evans must have loved the car to ship it to Europe for use on her trips there.
I've always been an admirer of Dueseys with the polished body accent molding.

I'd guess the hood fit is a fairly simple repair either alignment or adjustment, but then I don't know how the SJ hoods operate.

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09 May 2013 22:19 #25162 by Bob Roller
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Good looking car but the hood should be redone to fit the contour of the radiator shell.

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09 May 2013 17:04 #25160 by alsancle
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I'm usually pretty good at hitting the price but this one I feel is impossible.

www.dragoneclassic.com/auctions/ ... erline.htm


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23 Mar 2013 02:22 #24831 by silverghost
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Just a note to update the Howard Hughes past ownershp~

The Tourster was in fact directly sold to Howard Hughes himself who owned Hughes Aircraft Co., and several dozen other large corporations.
My great uncle William Hunter sold this car directly to Hughes as he was a close business associate of Howard. Howard may have titled it in the Aircraft Company name & used company funds to pay for it~~~who knows ?
After all he Owned Hughes Aircraft !
Of all the companies in Hughes empire the Aircraft company was his favorite.
It was said by old Hunter family lore that Hughes drove the car for some time himself before, & early, in the war period , then like every other auto he ever owned he quickly grew tired of it and had Hughes Aircraft Co. use it to tow experimental test airframes & so-called "Gliders" with it's aft coachwork chopped-off !
I often wonder if Hughes Aircraft had any photos of this auto in aircraft towing form with the aft body chopped-off ?
I would sure like to see one !

Over his lifetime Howard Hughes owned dozens of fine autos. He gave several Springfield Rolls~Royce Silver Ghosts, & Phantom I, autos to various girlfriends over the years.

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13 Mar 2013 16:32 #24777 by Chris Summers
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Sorry to get picky, but just in the interest of accuracy - as Randy pointed out when I was doing the description - it was owned by Hughes Aircraft, not Howard himself. The body is a recreation of the original but is entirely new. There was some discussion of an original cowl having been located and used, but photos with the car show new cowl metal and wood. The work was done very nicely and the car is essentially as it was when Brown took delivery.

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13 Mar 2013 15:59 #24776 by West Peterson
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The ex-Joe E. Brown/Howard Hughes car. Originally a Tourster, but basically a new body. It was reported in the auction catalog that by 1960, the entire body was gone.

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10 Mar 2013 19:00 #24748 by Chris Summers
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Right idea, wrong restorer, A.J. Harry Andrews did the body on that one.

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10 Mar 2013 17:58 #24747 by alsancle
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J-444 is not one of Ted's cars is it? That would explain the price.

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10 Mar 2013 02:28 #24736 by Greg Riley
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I would have gladly brought either one home to The Garage.




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09 Mar 2013 19:55 #24732 by landmark
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Hello,

Duesenberg @ RM's Amelia Island auction:

J-530 (S)J Walker CC hammered at $ 4.1 million!

J-444 Derham Tourster sold at (only?) $ 750000


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08 Mar 2013 21:20 #24723 by landmark
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Hello,

here I have two prices from todays Gooding auction @Amelia Island

J-500 (orig. J-559) Rollston JN Sedan hammered @ $ 540000

J-338? Le Baron Convertible Sedan hammered @ $ 425000


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20 Jan 2013 05:11 #24342 by Steve Derus
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J468 Murphy Beverly hammered at BJ for $1.3M, and J-288 Murphy Clearvision was no sale bid to $750k

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19 Jan 2013 19:27 #24341 by Chris Summers
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$2.45 million hammer for Murphy Convertible Coupe J-429 / 2446.

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19 Jan 2013 18:11 #24340 by landmark
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Chris Summers wrote: Hammered sold at $1.2 million.


Thank you Chris!



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19 Jan 2013 17:09 #24339 by Chris Summers
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Hammered sold at $1.2 million.

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19 Jan 2013 11:04 #24338 by landmark
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landmark wrote: Hello,

next weekend is auction-time in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Two nice "open" J's are offered by Gooding and RM.

www.goodingco.com/car/1933-duese ... ible-coupe

www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r163

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Hello,

does someone know the auction-result for the Derham Tourster @RM auctions?

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16 Jan 2013 17:39 #24321 by alsancle
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The Tourster has been in the same family for 50 years.

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16 Jan 2013 03:40 #24317 by CraigBirkhold
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Lots of nice cars available. :rolleyes:

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15 Jan 2013 21:22 #24316 by landmark
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Hello,

next weekend is auction-time in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Two nice "open" J's are offered by Gooding and RM.

www.goodingco.com/car/1933-duese ... ible-coupe

www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r163

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23 May 2012 01:12 #22918 by Chris Summers
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J-495 / 2513 was bought by a Club member and will likely be seen in Auburn in the near future. It's gone to a nice home.

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20 May 2012 12:16 #22894 by alsancle
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The Beverly is one of my favorite Model Js, open or closed.

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19 May 2012 19:57 #22889 by landmark
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Hello,

here is another auction result for a Duesenberg J:

1931 Model J Murphy Beverly (J-495 ?) @Dragone auction Hammerprice was at $ 1.25 Million (plus Buyer Premium) Published estrimate was $ 1.5 - 2 Millions

www.liveauctioneers.com/item/116 ... hy-beverly

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10 May 2012 00:04 #22802 by Joel
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Looks like '49 Plymouth tail lights.

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I was just really looking at this car for the first. It is built from a 1946 1947 or 1948 Oldsmobile, Olds front fenders, hood, rear fenders and bumpers front and rear.
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09 May 2012 01:59 #22792 by mikespeed35
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I don't think the horns or the radiator is going to cool that motor much.
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08 May 2012 23:30 #22791 by Chris Summers
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It does kinda have a proto-Nudiemobile look to it, doesn't it?

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08 May 2012 23:08 #22790 by Joel
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I'd have a lot of fun with that car! I'd put on my cowboy hat and boots, and a fringed cowboy vest, plus a pair of six shooters, and go out and rile up the town!






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08 May 2012 13:22 #22782 by Chris Summers
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Interesting question. The only two comparable postwar "specials" that have survived are 2432 / J-415 and 2420 / J-409. 2420/ J-409 was rebodied period-correctly as a Rollston Convertible Torpedo Victoria and the postwar body survives although I'm unaware of its present whereabouts. 2432 / J-415 I believe is being rebodied as it was originally; I don't know of the fate of its special body.

The Kollins-LaGrande doesn't use a J chassis, just an engine, so it isn't quite in the same category.

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08 May 2012 13:17 #22781 by West Peterson
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If the body of that car was removed, I wonder what the value of the body would be.

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08 May 2012 13:10 #22780 by Chris Summers
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Thanks, Matt. The car was bought by a Club member and will probably make its way to Auburn at some point. I don't think he has decided what he is going to do with the car yet. Stay tuned.

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08 May 2012 12:57 #22779 by landmark
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landmark wrote: Hello,

at the Houston Classic Auction, May 5th, there is a so called 1932 Duesenberg Model J LWB Custom Speedster under offer (without reserve).

In my eyes, the body-design is one of the ugliest, ever mounted on a Model J chassis :rolleyes:

www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/au ... D=70&id=44

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Hello,

Worldwide Auctioneers published a salesprice about $ 297000 for that car.


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Hello,
I must agree with Matt
Hopefully the new owner will right the wrongs of the former owner and finds an appropriate body for this Duesenberg.

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27 Apr 2012 19:51 #22718 by Mike Dube
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landmark wrote: Hello,

at the Houston Classic Auction, May 5th, there is a so called 1932 Duesenberg Model J LWB Custom Speedster under offer (without reserve).

In my eyes, the body-design is one of the ugliest, ever mounted on a Model J chassis :rolleyes:

www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/au ... D=70&id=44

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Matt,

I couldn't agree more. The throne car isn't much to look at either, but at least the nose is traditional.

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27 Apr 2012 15:43 #22711 by landmark
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Hello,

at the Houston Classic Auction, May 5th, there is a so called 1932 Duesenberg Model J LWB Custom Speedster under offer (without reserve).

In my eyes, the body-design is one of the ugliest, ever mounted on a Model J chassis :rolleyes:

www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/au ... D=70&id=44

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26 Feb 2012 23:05 #22316 by Chris Summers
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Yes, that would be with commission. I watched the auction online and the car sold for $900,000 hammer.

That was a [i:16sahhhs]fun[/i:16sahhhs] auction to watch, with quite a few cars sold at eyepopping prices.

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26 Feb 2012 22:24 #22314 by landmark
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Chris Summers wrote: The problem is that these cars risk being overshadowed by the once-in-a-lifetime sales of a lot of other great iron at about the same time - a Pierce Silver Arrow at B-J, the Moretti Packards at Gooding, and...well, everything in the Milhous collection. If you are a collector of major 1930s iron - what Bob Roller describes as "everything worth being caught dead in" - and not totally ACD faithful, there's a lot of opportunities not to be missed.

RM is pushing the Milhouses' J-208 / 2223 as the Dolores Del Rio Car. I believe it was actually owned at one time by her husband, Cedric Gibbons, the award-winning stage designer who created the Oscar statuette, and I've never seen anything identifying him as the original owner or any indication that he owned it very long.



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RM published a salesprice of $ 990000 (incl. Buyers premium?) for J 208. The estimate was about $ 900000 - $ 1200000


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23 Jan 2012 17:13 #21992 by West Peterson
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silverghost wrote:

Steve Derus wrote: The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.


If it car does indeed have a reserve ~~~That would be quite unusual for the B-J auction as for the last half dozen years, or so, ALL cars had to be consigned at B-J Scottsdale with NO reserve~~~or B-J would NOT accept the consignment.
With this No reserve policy B-J always wins as ALL cars sell. ~~~ While seller/consigners often loose their shirt on many of the B-J auction no reserve sales.


B-J press release announced a 99.69 percent sell-through rate for the entire week. This obviously includes every car bought back by its consigner... which, based on numbers I've heard in the past, could be as high as 40 percent.

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23 Jan 2012 01:43 #21990 by landmark
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alsancle wrote: There are some real heavy duty cars in that museum.


I have not known about that museum before. You are right looks like there are a lot of "car-jewels" to see.

The SJ La Grande DCP they display there is one of my favorit Duesenbergs.

It is not so far away from here, I think I going to visit it this year.

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28 Dec 2011 01:24 #21747 by alsancle
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There are some real heavy duty cars in that museum.

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27 Dec 2011 21:48 #21746 by landmark
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Chris Summers wrote: I normally refrain from mentioning owners directly here as it has got me into trouble before. That said, the Louwman Museum (The Hague) shows the car prominently on their website, which is a fairly public admission of ownership.



Thank you Chris,

I found it on the museum page, it looks like the car is repainted.

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25 Dec 2011 02:30 #21730 by Chris Summers
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I normally refrain from mentioning owners directly here as it has got me into trouble before. That said, the Louwman Museum (The Hague) shows the car prominently on their website, which is a fairly public admission of ownership.

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25 Dec 2011 02:00 #21729 by landmark
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Chris Summers wrote: J-355 / 2225, coming out of Europe. It was black with polished aluminum moldings when last seen at auction.



Hello Chris,

Bonhams wrote in its car-discription that the car was displayed in an european museum/collection. Do you know where/in which european country that was?

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J-355 / 2225, coming out of Europe. It was black with polished aluminum moldings when last seen at auction.

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24 Dec 2011 15:53 #21726 by landmark
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landmark wrote:
Hello,

and one more, at the RM "Milhous-Collection" auction in Florida in febuary

www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r111

B.t.w. (according to the pictures) a nice looking car.


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Hello,

one more Duesenberg Model J Murphy Convertible Sedan is for sale in January @Bonhams auction.

www.bonhams.com/usa/auction/19680/lot/334/


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14 Dec 2011 20:59 #21629 by Steve Derus
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I received the BJ brochure in the mail. For the Duesenberg and a few other "high dollar" cars it does not state "no reserve" in the description, while all the other cars in the brochure have a notation "no reserve".

I agree that BJ has had a no reserve auction policy for a few years but it seems they are now making some exceptions.

Here's a link to the online description of the Duesenberg, note in the column marked "SALE TYPE" that it says "reserve".

www.barrett-jackson.com/applicat ... f22%2f2012

There's an Isotta that has a reserve also, and I think a few others.


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14 Dec 2011 18:04 #21628 by silverghost
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Steve Derus wrote: The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.


If it car does indeed have a reserve ~~~That would be quite unusual for the B-J auction as for the last half dozen years, or so, ALL cars had to be consigned at B-J Scottsdale with NO reserve~~~or B-J would NOT accept the consignment.
With this No reserve policy B-J always wins as ALL cars sell. ~~~ While seller/consigners often loose their shirt on many of the B-J auction no reserve sales.

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14 Dec 2011 17:34 #21627 by Steve Derus
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The Duesenberg Murphy town car consigned to BJ appears to have a reserve.

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14 Dec 2011 17:20 #21626 by silverghost
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I don't think the B-J Auction will be setting any new records here selling full Classics.
Decades ago B-J started their auction business selling Full Classics & Real Antiques.
In my opinion B-J is NOT the auction with which you want to consign your full Classic .
They are now basically a musclecar & hotrod/streetrod/restomod auction for what I call the more money that brains crowd.
Classics consigned at B-J usually sell for very little money.
Classic & Antique/Brass Era buyers usually don't attend B-J in any large numbers; if at all.

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14 Dec 2011 14:21 #21624 by landmark
Replied by landmark on topic Duesenberg Auction watching/ predictions

Chris Summers wrote: The problem is that these cars risk being overshadowed by the once-in-a-lifetime sales of a lot of other great iron at about the same time - a Pierce Silver Arrow at B-J, the Moretti Packards at Gooding, and...well, everything in the Milhous collection. If you are a collector of major 1930s iron - what Bob Roller describes as "everything worth being caught dead in" - and not totally ACD faithful, there's a lot of opportunities not to be missed.

RM is pushing the Milhouses' J-208 / 2223 as the Dolores Del Rio Car. I believe it was actually owned at one time by her husband, Cedric Gibbons, the award-winning stage designer who created the Oscar statuette, and I've never seen anything identifying him as the original owner or any indication that he owned it very long.



Hello Chris,

I expect that there will be some more "one-in-a-lifetime-sales" coming up in the nearer future...

According to an article (Taking the hig road) by Dwight Schooling at "Automobile Quarterly" Volume 30 Number 4 (Summer 1992) the car (J-208) was, as you mentioned, owned by Cedric Gibbons, his wife Dolores del Rio owned a Muphy Town car (J-393?).

Cheers

Matt

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