Duesenbergs sold new to germany and Duesenberg bodied by Fig

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25 Jul 2011 17:09 #20564 by landmark
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Hello,

I like to know, if there were Model J cars sold new to Germany? I have never heart about a J (before W.W.II) in Germany. Yes of course there is the 1940 Rudolph Bauer Town car (rebodied J-397/2563), which was sometimes called the german Duesy, but I think Mr. Bauer owned and drove it in the United States.

The other point I like to know about is; according to the D.Adler book there will be three model J bodied by the french bodyshop Figoni.
I know about one car remaining, the "French Speedster" J-465. What kind of bodies have had the other two cars and have them survived till today? Figoni and Falaschi have bodied some very spectacular cars for Talbot and Delahaye...

Matt

B.T.W. Chris Summers wrote in an other thread that in "...the Summer 1996 (No. 30) issue of the Society of Automotive Historians's "Automotive History Review" includes as good a history of European Duesenbergs, including breakdowns of cars by coachbuilder and country and numerous hard-to-find photographs, as has ever been published..."

Is that article somewhere online visible? I haven't found it in the net.

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25 Jul 2011 17:27 #20565 by Chris Summers
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Matt, the SAH magazine lists the following:

"A LeBaron bodied car (probably a phaeton) owned by a Herr Becker from Berlin competed at the Avus ring in Berlin against a Mercedes SSK in 1936."

No other information on that car is known to me but the article does say that the driver of the SSK was Rudolf Bauer, who was then inspired to have his Duesenberg built. That car did, as you mentioned, never leave the US for Europe; purportedly Erdmann & Rossi was to have built the body but WWII made that impossible and so Rollson was used instead.

Figoni bodies:

J-263 / chassis unknown - Convertible Victoria - no longer in existence
J-465 / 2509 - Speedster - in NJ
J-369 / 2384 (probably) - Sedan - no longer in existence

The Roe and Malks books on Duesenberg both have information on all the known European-bodied cars but not as extensive as the SAH magazine. You might be able to find a copy through eBay but it is not online to my knowledge. Happy hunting.

Incidentally, while we're on the subject for you, the Roe, Malks, and Elbert books are all essential to a good Duesenberg library (all available used online, although not cheaply, but a good book is a lifelong investment). You seem like the scholarly type, I think you would enjoy them.

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25 Jul 2011 17:50 #20566 by landmark
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Chris, thank you for the informations!

Are there fotos existing of the lost figoni bodied Duesenbergs?

The Elbert Book is in my bookshelf <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> Never heart before about the Malks book, found now in the net, sounds interresting.

And I think the Roe-Book (must be "goldplated" <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> :rolleyes:) is one for under my chrismas-tree.

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25 Jul 2011 17:53 #20567 by Chris Summers
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I think you have the Adler book, which has photos of at least the speedster and the convertible victoria. The sedan is pictured in Malks and Roe.

Yes, prices for the Roe book are outrageous, but as I said, hopefully you only have to buy it once.

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25 Jul 2011 18:01 #20568 by landmark
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Chris Summers wrote: I think you have the Adler book, which has photos ...convertible victoria...


Thanx,

found the picture of the convertible victoria. For a Figoni styled body it looks very conservative.

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31 Jul 2011 19:06 #20616 by Bob Roller
Bob Roller replied the topic: J397 Rudolph Bauer Car
What old Rudy got was a doctored chassis and a patched up engine apparently with a used supercharger as well.
The story I heard was that he intended to have the chassis bodied by Erdmann&Rossi in Germany but got in trouble with the Nazis for currency speculation or something. Guggenheim bailed him out supposedly by enriching the coffers of Reichsmarshall Hermann Goering and he in turn threw Bauer out of the country. When he got to the USA he at once retrieved the chassis and consigned it to Rollson (Rollston) and the skills of Rudy Creteur and his custom body shop. It was finished and road ready by 1940. This car is like no other car,Duesenberg or otherwise.It is a bumper to bumper custom built car of grand rank. I have examined it closely with the permission of Bill Petit who then owned it and have ridden in it. It has perhaps 12,000 miles on it now and still has or so I've been told,the original tires. I did help Mr.Petit get a spare tire freed from the double stack on the rear of the car with a little WD40 and some carefull prying. In one magazine article I read that some lady art fancier or maybe a critic gave Bauer Hell for squandering money on outrageous motor cars. Outrageous? Maybe.Interesting,definetly and I for one am glad old Rudy had it done here in America and he was probably glad to be free from the GeStaPo for good.

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