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15 Jun 2013 21:40 #25429 by landmark
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I say they should be able to be actually Driven & Toured long distances without any fear of catastrophic mechanical engine failures.
That's what they were originally built for by Fred Duesenberg, & old E L Cord, in the first place.

Don't kill me here guys~~~
It's just my opinion~~~
But in your heart you know I might just be correct in my mechanical evaluation of SOME, but not All, of these great Model "J' autos !



Hello,

and by the way, here is a "nice" video about some "specialists"
:rolleyes:trying hard to start J-219? @retromobile 2013 auction

Sounds more like a shotgun than a proper adjusted 8 inline <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSndTj4xO3E


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16 Jun 2013 17:01 #25431 by Bob Roller
Bob Roller replied the topic: Drive them if you have them
If a fine car like a Duesenberg can't be driven and enjoyed without becoming a real pain in the backside,then it needs another owner or a major engine rebuild with modern upgrades like better bearings throughout,"I"beam rods,reground and rehardened crankshaft and a slight bump up in compression ratio.
I watched those guys trying to get J219 running and when it started it was rough,blowing black smoke and back firing.I wonder if anyone bothered to check valve clearences or run a compression check. Another video showed the Don Kerr speedster and it sounded like the pistons were changing holes and more black smoke. That updraft carburetor doesn't help anything either. I was surprised when I saw how many of them still
have that relic hanging from the intake manifold. I am think too much is spent on cosmetics and little on the engine even if it is an embarrasment to the owner.

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16 Jun 2013 17:35 #25432 by silverghost
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Sadly I see so many so called "Restorations" done today where the only real restoration attention an old engine actually gets is just a new flashy coat of paint & some polishing of the engine's aluminum & brass !


To many newer present day Classic owners of these fine autos,~~~~who never actually really ever Drive them~~~but instead have them sitting in a museum on static display,
Cosmetics & flashy & sporty coachwork & paint jobs are the most important thing to them.

I would rather own an older "driver" car that runs very well~~~but has some older weathered & chipped paint:.
than a Concours Showcar that only has skin deep beauty~~~and must be trailered on and off the show field because it does not run very well~~if it actually runs at all.


BOB~~~
I actually like the updraft carburators~~~especially if that is what was on the engine when the car was originally built when new.
I like 100% originality !
They do have their limitations as you suggested however~~~

When in the production engine number range of the Model "J" was the switch made to the downdraft style carb ? ? ?

Upgrading the connecting rods & adding modern style rod & main bearings are great ideas~~~
From the exterior of the engine you cannot tell they were upgraded~~~But the engine will live much longer with them installed.

New Higher Compression pistons are OK ~~~to a point.

But I saw a friend destroy a 1914 Silver-Ghost engine because he added new 9.5:1 pistons on a rebuild~~~and pushed her way too far climbing a hill while on tour trying to show-off her new-found power & speed to his old Silver Ghost friends.
A old original rod let loose and punched right through the side of the aluminum crankcase; & also destroyed one of the iron engine blocks.

What a tragic & costly mistake that was ! ! !

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17 Jun 2013 02:38 #25435 by Bob Roller
Bob Roller replied the topic: Upgrades to old engines
The 10.5:1 is way too extreme for any antique engine.I think Bill Bocock told be that he bumped his up to about 6.5:1 which is mild and allow the advantages of today's gas.That was J368 I think.
I don't know when the "J" was offered with down draft carburetors but I know J357 built in 1930 had one as did J540-J396-J467 and J528.Whether or not these were change overs from updraft I can't say. There were others we had in the shop but I don't know the #'s.The first one I ever laid a wrench on was J487 and it did have the updraft system.
J542 had a downdraft but when new it had a supercharger which I suppose could be classified as an updraft of sorts.
Speaking of gas,we have a dealer in this area that is selling 90 octane WITHOUT the corn liquor in it (ethanol) at $4.24 a gallon.I didn't ask if it was leaded or not. If it is,I don't want it in my modern fuel injected cars.

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17 Jun 2013 16:08 #25436 by landmark
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Bob Roller wrote: I THINK one of them was J183 and again I THINK it now powers a DCP
perhaps in Canada.If someone knows for sure,I won't get my shirt in a knot if you correct me.

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Hello Bob,

it looks like you are right! A car called as a Dual-Cowl Phaeton in the style of Murphy, Chassis no. 2201, Bell housing no. J-183 will be auctioned @St. Johns auction by RM http://www.rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1060306

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17 Jun 2013 18:59 #25441 by silverghost
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WOW !

Jim Hoe's old J-183 sure has had many new lives & reincarnations over the decades~~~

It appears that at least many parts of this old car, along with Jim Hoe's old White truck 5 speed transmission conversion, radiator shell, chassis/engine etc. are scattered all over & among a number of other existing Model "J"s.
I was told by Robert that J-183 was once in Dee Howard's ownership !
Perhapps he also got some of Jim Hoe's many other model "J" spares ?

Is it possible his second hillclimb racer (J-number still unknown to me ) was also parted-out & stored by Karl Klieve ?
Could this chassis have been the drilled,lightened & shortened chassis I spoke of earlier ,that Karl is said to have eventually scrapped & dumped ?

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