Jim Hoe Sportscar Garage 1950s Memory

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14 Jun 2013 19:47 #25421 by silverghost
silverghost replied the topic: Re: Jim Hoe's hill climbers

Bob Roller wrote: I THINK one of them was J183 and again I THINK it now powers a DCP
perhaps in Canada.If someone knows for sure,I won't get my shirt in a knot if you correct me. Jim told me I could buy one of them for $1600 many years ago... ~~~

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That's one of Jim's hillclimb racers that I remember seeing in the 50s-60s ~~~The one with the cycle fenders.

Here is a link to period photos below on Jack Curtrght's great website~~~

http://duesey186.com/Datasheets/Model_J ... rm2201.htm

Jim also had a second Model "J" racecar/"sportscar" at this same time period that appeared to be in a much more battered & butchered chopped-up condition~~~
if you can believe that is indeed at all possible ?

The second racecar had large hole-saw holes cut all over it's entire chassis in an effort to lighten the chassis up for racing.

Does anyone know this second Model "J" engine & chassis/body numbers ?

As I said before~~~
Jim Hoe drove the living daylights, & beat the guts, out of his Duesenberg "Sportscars" !

The picture linked above proves my point perfectly !
No Concours Pebble Beach Showcars for hillclimb racer Jim Hoe !

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14 Jun 2013 23:36 #25422 by Bob Roller
Bob Roller replied the topic: Left over engines
I see J552 listed as a never installed engine but it seems to me that it
powers a Rollston CC a LWB one.

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15 Jun 2013 03:18 #25423 by mikespeed35
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Hi Bob, Was that $100. bill also bigger than a bed sheet?
CORDially Mike

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15 Jun 2013 11:07 #25426 by Bob Roller
Bob Roller replied the topic: $100 bills and other things
Mike,
The value of the $100 bill in 1952 was a LOT higher than today's funny money. I recently laid out $96 for meals at a local eatery and it didn't put any strain on the bank account. When I bought that Packard,I had a "choice" between it and Ford Model "A". Those old Fords to me were cars that started at the bottom and went down from there.
Going to another letter,it was stated that Jim Hoe did a lot of work on Springfield Rolls-Royce cars.That reminds me of an incident when we were
redoing J528 in the early 1950's. The director of the Huntington Symphony Orchestra had a beautiful 1930 RR Conv.coupe and he stopped in to see what we were doing with the Duesenberg. I was just finishing the valve lapping and he asked me what I was doing and I told him.He said he'd never have to do that to the Rolls and my reply was that it couldn't run fast enough to wear out. He failed to see the humor in that and left.

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15 Jun 2013 14:27 #25427 by silverghost
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Bob Roller wrote: Going to another letter,it was stated that Jim Hoe did a lot of work on Springfield Rolls-Royce cars.That reminds me of an incident when we were
redoing J528 in the early 1950's. The director of the Huntington Symphony Orchestra had a beautiful 1930 RR Conv.coupe and he stopped in to see what we were doing with the Duesenberg. I was just finishing the valve lapping and he asked me what I was doing and I told him.He said he'd never have to do that to the Rolls and my reply was that it couldn't run fast enough to wear out. He failed to see the humor in that and left.

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Bob~~~

While what you say may be very true~~~

The Rolls~Royce Silver Ghosts & Phantoms were never Ever intended to be high speed performance cars~~~
They were very high quality over engineered & overbuilt mechanical designs that were built with precision like a fine Swiss watch.
Internally the engines were low-speed reving, understressed & overbuilt designs originally designed to basically last a car owner's entire lifetime without any major internal engine or drive line breakdowns !

Most of the Springfield R~R cars that are heavily toured all over the world today have Never Ever had their engines opened-up & totally taken apart~~~and they still run as quiet & powerful, with monster torque like a steam engine, as when built brand new !

How many Model "J" Duesenbergs do you know of today that can make this very same claim ?

We both know that Many model "J" auto engines today are just plain worn-out and in dire need of a total proper engine rebuild~~~ and one would Never consider Ever taking them on a tour withot a 100% total complete engine rebuild !

We all know of some cosmetically fantastinc looking & very sporty Model "J" Duesenbergs that are just fine as static museum pieces, or Concours show trailer queens !

I not very long ago saw a super looking model "J" cross the Auction block and sell in the Million $$$ range.
After the hammer came down two fellows standing nearby who really knew All about this very car made the comment~~~
" WOW ! ! ! What a great price for a car that basically has an engine that is totally shot & worn-out ! "

It seems many Model "J" Duesenberg autos have really been only cosmetically restored over & over again multiple times over the decades to suit the various owner's color & coachwork style tastes ~~~ but have never Ever had a proper mechanical internal engine rebuild !

Sadly many of these fine cars are only used as investments, and museum static display-only Concours event trailer queen artworks, for their owners who flip them for another model "J" every few years in order to be invited again to attend the same Concours event next year with another different model "J" Duesenberg car !


I say they should be able to be actually Driven & Toured long distances without any fear of catastrophic mechanical engine failures.
That's what they were originally built for by Fred Duesenberg, & old E L Cord, in the first place.

Don't kill me here guys~~~
It's just my opinion~~~
But in your heart you know I might just be correct in my mechanical evaluation of SOME, but not All, of these great Model "J' autos !

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15 Jun 2013 15:29 #25428 by Bob Roller
Bob Roller replied the topic: Worn ot engines
I would think that any full restoration would include a complete rebuild and maybe upgrades on the engine. I suppose there are a number of barely running trailer queens and that is sad but if the car isn't going to be driven then the expense isn't wanted.

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