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17 Oct 2009 19:26 #14687 by Steve Derus
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J-500/2517. reference Chris' registry.

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17 Oct 2009 17:49 #14686 by janst
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I really cannot find the numbers of this Murphy CC anywhere, that was (is?) at the Petersen Museum

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17 Oct 2009 03:20 #14685 by Chris Summers
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mikespeed35 wrote: Chris, have you read Rolling Sculpture. If not, you should.
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Own it, have scanned the Duesenberg section but not had a chance to read it cover-to-cover yet. I'm an English major so my time for pleasure reading is much more limited than I would like. It's earmarked for this summer or, if I can pull it off, over Christmas.

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17 Oct 2009 02:55 #14684 by mikespeed35
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Chris, have you read Rolling Sculpture. If not, you should.
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16 Oct 2009 18:45 #14682 by Chris Summers
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I haven't seen that car in person, only in photos, so I can't tell you. Usually convertible victorias were designed as two-door cars to be driven by chauffeur, and so had very roomy rear seats.

The design of that car is wonderful. With the top down, it looks just like a stretched Murphy convertible coupe, not like a four-passenger car at all unless you get close-up.

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16 Oct 2009 18:28 #14681 by janst
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there is not much space in the back, is it?

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16 Oct 2009 18:25 #14680 by Chris Summers
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Yes, Convertible Victoria, my stupid mistake.

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16 Oct 2009 18:22 #14679 by janst
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oh yes, that is the Convertible Victoria! I thought this is a Convertible Coupe..

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16 Oct 2009 17:57 #14678 by Chris Summers
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Blue car is J-154 / 2171, Murphy Convertible Victoria (which I believe has engine J-344 installed). (corrected from earlier)

White car is #J-564 / 2589, SJN Rollston Convertible Coupe.

Background is #J-151 / 2132, Murphy Sport Sedan.

All owned by Bill Parfet, whose collection I could live in quite comfortably for a year or nine.

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16 Oct 2009 17:53 #14677 by janst
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and what about this LWB CC at the Gilmore Car Museum?


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14 Oct 2009 20:59 #14654 by Chris Summers
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Yes, prior to its most recent restoration.

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14 Oct 2009 18:18 #14651 by janst
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Hi,
never mind that we didn?t find a solution yet
we can try another one in the mean-time - isn?t it J-395 again?

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12 Oct 2009 17:52 #14640 by Chris Summers
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Yes indeed.

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12 Oct 2009 17:33 #14639 by Steve Derus
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Chris,
Looking at the Petersen photo do you think it might be the car that janst was asking about?

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12 Oct 2009 16:50 #14638 by Chris Summers
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Is. Check out the California Car Design exhibit. Scroll down to the end where it shows a list of cars on exhibit. "1932 DUESENBERG SJ" appears right below the Hudson, with no picture.

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12 Oct 2009 16:47 #14637 by Steve Derus
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Now we know where the car is (or was). I checked the Petersen Website and nothing there about the car.
I know Randy could solve this one but he hasn't weighed in.

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12 Oct 2009 16:38 #14636 by Chris Summers
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Petersen Museum (only place on Earth with both a gold-plated DeLorean and a Bugatti Veyron...). I don't think they own this car however, which means it would be on-loan. It is currently part of their ongoing exhibit on California-bodied automobiles.

Who's up for a trip to Los Angeles? :D

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12 Oct 2009 16:20 #14635 by Steve Derus
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I think I found a puzzle piece on the unidentified red car. I was just searching the internet and ran across this site and photo. It sure looks like the same car.....trunk, color, driving lights, external exhaust. Only problem is the numbers on the car are not mentioned. What it does say is the car is in a museum, and that is where the photo was taken. Anyone recognize it now?
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10 Oct 2009 03:16 #14618 by Chris Summers
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Not J-284, which is one single shade of red. (Photo by Robert Armstrong, taken at 2007 Pebble Beach Concours.)



Not J-345, which has one-piece Monel side exhaust, no trunk, etc. (Also a Robert Armstrong photo, taken at PBC when the car was for sale from the Blackhawk Collection.)



The car that was built as J-401 / 2406 has engine J-527 now and is a single shade of maroon ("garnet red"). It was sold by RM Auctions at Monterey this August.

The car built as J-327 / 2340 has engine J-401 now and is white with red upholstery. It was sold by RM at Amelia Island this March.

[All the more reason to stop what we're all guilty of (myself included) and using J-numbers alone to identify Duesenbergs.]

I don't think that the car in the picture is any of the above. It looks a LOT like J-321 / 2186, which the Blackhawk Collection had for sale at Pebble Beach in 1999. This car is one on which my information is conflicting, but it originally had engine J-165.

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09 Oct 2009 20:22 #14617 by Tom_Parkinson
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Well, since no one can agree on which Duesenberg this one actually is, I think the best solution is to sign it over to me and put it in my garage. :D

With brakes, two cylinders are better than one.

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09 Oct 2009 13:35 #14616 by Joel
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Don't give up Steve, keep trying! :D

Here is J395 back in 2002. No Pilot Rays back then either.


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09 Oct 2009 03:47 #14614 by Steve Derus
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Dang it, two wrong guesses. I give up.

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09 Oct 2009 03:34 #14613 by Joel
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J401 is complicated.
The "J401" that is red is the one that was born J401, but currently has supercharged engine J527 in it. This car was reportedly painted the dark maroon "garnet red" in 2000 , and received the chrome wire wheels at the same time. It was for sale by Gooding in 2006 and wore the maroon paint and had blackwall tires and no trunk. It has a louvered hood on the drivers side, and the screened hood for the exhaust on the other. It was also sold recently by RM and looked the same as in '06. www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cf ... CarID=r286


I doubt that it is the car in question because the color is different and if it was painted maroon at the same time as the crome wheels were installed, why does the car in question have chrome wheels but not the same paint <!-- s:?: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:?: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:?: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><!-- s:?: -->

The white one in Steves picture was white when it sold at Amelia Island in March 2009, and was white for many years. So I doubt that it is the car in question. It was originally equiped with engine J327, and now has engine J401.

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09 Oct 2009 03:04 #14612 by Joel
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J345 has the one peice external exhaust manifold. So I don't think that car is J345, although other than the exhaust it sure looks like it.

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09 Oct 2009 00:21 #14610 by Mike Brady
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J345 - 2367

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08 Oct 2009 22:49 #14609 by Steve Derus
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I now feel pretty certain its J401. Here is a link to a photo of it in a different color. Chris Summers' registry says its now red so that fits also notice the passenger side spotlight in the photo

www.conceptcarz.com/view/photo/3 ... photo.aspx

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08 Oct 2009 22:38 #14608 by Joel
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J284 as pictured in the gallery does not have the cowl mounted spotlites, and has chrome spare tire covers. Could it be the same car with changes over time? <!-- s:?: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><!-- s:?: -->
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Also J395 appeared different last year than in the above pic. DIfferent tires, missing the Pilot Rays, front bumper bracing a different color. Edit: Plus J395 currently does not have the wood slats on the back and it has a trunk. It is reported that J395 recieved the trunk at the time of the restoration when it was converted from cream to red and black. Is it indeed the same car? <!-- s:?: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><!-- s:?: -->
files.conceptcarz.com/img/Duesen ... HC-002.jpg

files.conceptcarz.com/img/Duesen ... HC-003.jpg

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08 Oct 2009 19:18 #14605 by Steve Derus
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Might be J-284 but I'm just guessing.

here's a link to a good gallery of Duesenberg photos that I find helpful for identifying individual cars, but I've found that its not 100% accurate compared to expert sources.

curtright.us/F4146E38-271E-4b39- ... /index.htm

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08 Oct 2009 18:07 #14603 by janst
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well, OK, Chris has one point
the quiz is going on
what about this one

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03 Oct 2009 21:15 #14538 by Chris Summers
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J-395 / 2414.

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03 Oct 2009 18:25 #14535 by janst
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Hi,
what are the numbers of this Murphy Convertible Coupe?
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